Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Will Sandwich's $30M public safety building pass muster with voters?

Voters in the Town of Sandwich will have the opportunity to weigh in on a proposed $30 million public safety building that will provide space for both police and firefighters/EMTs. The downtown Route 6A fire and police stations would be scrapped as well as the Forestdale fire station. The new building would be at the corner of Quaker Meeting House Road and Cotuit Road and an auxiliary fire/ambulance station would be built on the grounds of Sandwich High School. The East Sandwich fire station would remain unmanned.

This is the biggest capital project that has been proposed since the Oak Ridge and Forestdale schools were built. I invite everyone to comment on the proposed project and to register your educated guess as to what is likely to happen at the May town meeting and at the ballot on the following Thursday.

In the poll at the top right of this page, you can log your guesses both for the town meeting vote and the subsequent ballot question. If town meeting approves the project, a vote at the ballot must also pass to allow for the Proposition 2&1/2 debt exclusion. If town meeting turns down the project, voters could still approve the debt exclusion at the ballot and a special town meeting could be held to try once again to sway the voters.

90 comments:

  1. Sorry. We don't have the money.

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  2. I would rather see the existing facilities renovated. I would also like to have more than a month or two go by without reading about misbehavior of one of our police officers. Do not reward the "naughty" ones with new "toys" until the behaviors change for the better.

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  3. I agree, we really should consider doing renovations to the existing substations on 6A in East Sandwich and Forestdale, keeping and renovating the fire station downtown, and turning the Wing School into a main police station with a small fire substation. I've seen other towns that have converted old schools into town facilities successfully. That just seems more practical. I really and truly wish we had options. I am going to vote No. There's got to be a better, more efficient way to do this. Yes, other towns do have nice, shiny buildings, but that by no means entitles us to have one too.

    Sorry police and fire staff, you do so much for us when we truly need you. Too bad things can't ever be maintained in this town. I'm not just blaming the current board, you are trying to help and at least do something, I blame the boards from years past who just kept passing things off to the next group. But to this BOS, we need an option that isn't so concentrated in one location.

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  4. Carl Johansen would state that should the project be approved at the ballot box after it passes at Town meeting, the board of Selectmen have the option to not expend all of the money approved.

    The present cost estimated at present, may well come in far less or more once it goes out to bid.

    We may never know the actual cost until this project goes out to bid.

    If every one just votes on the project based upon money, we will lose the opportunity to upgrade the very buildings that are the homes for the intial responce to any type of an emergancy, where we may well need personal assistance.

    Far to long, many projects that have been addressed over may years
    get kicked down the road for another generation of citizens to debate the worth.

    We can do that again and then when the surge of water comes over the barrier beaches and makes these buildings uninhabitable we can all ask why was nothing done? Mother nature has been knocking on our doors for some time, but we have yet to see the full force of what can be in store for our town, when it occurs. This last storm was a wake up call to the present leaders, that the time for debating is over and what is needed is action.

    However you may look at the present debate, just think about what can be in store for each of us, with out a fully functioning Police and Fire department to handle all of the situational problems that surely will continue if we stay on the present course. Pass it on to the next generation, can not and should not be the answer. We have the opportunity to correct long term goals that have never been addressed and provide the basis for economic development which this town sadly needs if it is to survive into the future.

    The first goal is for this to pass at Town meeting and then if that occurs, the citizens get the opportunity to weigh in and decide what the future has in store for our fair town.

    For me this is not just about money, it is about putting in place the corner stone that gets us as a community in a place where we all can feel safe and secure for the young and the old among us.

    It is about trasforming Sandwich into a futuristic place where our historical roots are never forgotten, but the value to grow and nuture the values that make up a thriving community are alive and well.

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  5. Not me. I can't afford it. I would rather see a senior center, a new library, and a Stem Academy if we have to spend the big bucks, because without these there is no future. I would go along with a project that would cost 30 million and include two or three substations, but I doubt the greedy committee even thought about cutting down the amount. They will lose because they don't understand that people are hurting. Many of those on the board have been there at least six to nine years and have done nothing. why now?

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  6. Has anyone heard if either the Police or Fire Unions support the new complex. I understand that a number of the first responders are against spending as much as the 45 million proposed for this building.

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    1. I have spoken with a number of cops and firefighters who think the cost is too much and some things just not necessary that are included in the project.

      I still have three kids in school and the fool who wrote about not voting for the stem academy is just what I called him, a fool.

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  7. The more people that show up at this meeting, the more solid the vote and the voice will be for this proposal. No matter how you personally decide to vote, it would be helpful to just tell people who you know about the issue, and to get their butts down there to have their vote count. If the seats are full in that auditorium it will be a definitive decision to either proceed or to take it back to the drawing board. If the usual crowd shows up, this project will pass. They'll bring their knitting and their notes, catch up with friends and be happy to have "a night out". It's the regular crowd that seems to have a trust fund to back up the cost of all these tax hikes that we keep getting hit with on the state and federal level. So it seems.

    So, it's up to the informed townspeople to get two or three friends or groups to this meeting. Just let everyone you know about the upcoming meeting and the matter at hand. Most of us know it's hard getting to Town Meeting after a full day's work, but this is pretty important stuff.

    It is clear that our nation is plagued by uninformed voters, we are suffering the consequences of this nationally. But that's another issue for another day.

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    1. A definative decision. With about 4% voting, I think not. Let's just vote it down and then tell them we won't take it any more. Believe me, they will come back.
      A major key to economic development are schools, not safety buildings. Those who espouse otherwise have an agenda. Let's give more to schools, educate our children and then they can move on to better places that are less taxing.

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  8. I for one will not be voting on the project as it is currently designed. Simply the complex being proposed on QMH across from S&S is just way to big!! There is no need for a gym, community room, enormous amounts of office space (really how many folks are on duty for a shift?), too many cells (how many times have all the current cells had overnight guests?)maybe the chief knows of a crime wave coming to Sandwich, if so he should share; rooms for folks that aren't even employees of the town, a break room that is probably bigger than most first floors of the homeowners in Sandwich; the mechanics bay good idea if they will be working on all town vehicles and so on and so forth. We also don't need a substation just down the road from the proposed complex, how about revamping downtown rather than building a new substation or building over by Jan Sebastian. Too big and too close each other!

    It seems the committee got greedy knowing that the majority of folks agree something has to be done with the downtown stations. So they opted for the biggest, grandest building they could get designed and then expected taxpayers to say isn't that wonderful. Sorry the project may get passed at town meeting, which most folks won't go to, but I don't see this passing at the polls. Besides who wants to listen to another presentation and all the "regular" microphone talkers at town meeting.

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  9. Wow, 4:31, your words expressed that which I could never have done.
    These people just went to the drawing board and asked for all that they could have asked, after all, it may just work, if not, they go back, wittle the project down, and then get their new building.
    Someone suggested to me that the whole thing was a set up. Only the players or their co=horts are on the committee, they give tens of thousands to a consultant that makes the project grand so that they might get in on the future action, then look for the unwitting public to bring up specious arguments such as it will hurt our children. Its a set up.

    Just as a quick post script. Your description of Town Meeting is right on the spot.

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  10. I have written to three selectmen and suggested that maybe someone should ask the committee to come up with a second plan upfront so that the public can see what it might get if the project were scaled down, and then have the public vote.

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  11. Until we take care of what we have, it makes no sense to build more buildings. We need to take some responsibility for saving our barrier beach - which protects our town. There has been absolutely no urgency with regards to this situation. And now we are paying for it. We need someone who will fight for this. People's homes will be covered by insurance. We need a strong, assertive voice for our beaches.

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    1. Its time to pay attention to the needs of your students. We do not have sufficient deep pockets to build such edifices as is being presented.

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  12. I see a lot of people writing about putting money toward renovating buildings, improving the schools, and dumping sand down at the beaches. However, we don't actually have this money to do all these things. The town doesn't have 30 million dollars for any of these proposed improvements. It is being vote upon to increase property taxes to build a new fire/police department.

    There isn't any money to do any of this. So these ideas should go nowhere. The thought of putting more money into the schools is crazy. How much more do they need and for what exactly? Most of these kids can't read and interpret what they read, spell properly (their, there, they're) or speak articulately as it is. I have reservations that more money is actually going to improve that. If you can't accomplish simple education of simple knowledge with the budget they have, there isn't too much hope, and would be a waste of money.

    We should be discussing ways to get more tax money from sources other than property owners. Can we discuss getting motivated to overhaul the marina area. This is an enormous untapped source of revenue. With views of the bridge, and easy access to the Bay, I would think we should capitalize on doing something down there.

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  13. Thank you C for your kind words.

    I disagree with the argument that because town buildings haven't been cared for, we don't get anything new. The reason is simple the town just hasn't had a great amount of money to take care of the town buildings over the last several years, and have truly done what they can to keep them satisfactory to work in, all except the HarborMaster building. My equation is New Building = Old Building Replacing Must Be Sold. Which means there is less time and money on maintenance/monitoring, think Clark Haddad.

    I strongly believe that the ever increasing school budget with a declining enrollment, is wrong. Any other other business that was faced with a declining "customer" base, would be making cuts/scaling back. Once the cuts were made, whether personnel or programs, and "customers" were coming back, then SLOWLY revenue would be added back to support adding additional personnel and/or programs, for the "customers". Here's an example of a cut, the town of Bourne has on the table cutting department heads. Why not here? They get to keep their teaching jobs, but loose the extra money to be a department head. No brainer, simple expense cut.


    Our schools should be given a -2% budget decrease for the next calendar year, although we'd be lucky if the powers that be ok'd a 0% increase. Especially since there was $500,000+ left over last year to buy Ipads and bleachers. Once the school system makes the tough decisions that need to be made, then I for one, would be more accepting of finding funding for the Stem Academy.

    How much sand would $500,000 buy for beach erosion?

    No one wants to see people put out of work, but nothing is guaranteed even public sector employment. I need to see some real and tangible decisions made, before I will hand over any more of my tax dollars for a school system that needs to be downsized, until a time when "customers" have come back. If they even do come back, but that's a whole different conversation.


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    1. Were you the guy who was so vociferous defending the money that Dr. Johnson spent sending teachers for overnights?

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  14. Why not let mother nature do her thing? If it means salt water into the marsh, it is completely and totally out of our control. There isn't the time or money to fix the dunes. The dunes weren't made by "man" so we shouldn't be expected to fix them.

    However, what if the ocean came rushing in? We'll never be able to expand the current Marina with all the hoops involved with the Corps of Engineers. Maybe a deep-pocketed person or group would be able to dredge the old marsh and a new marina would rise from the waters.

    Overnight berths, people visiting downtown restaurants within walking distance, maybe a trolley would be in place to get our over night guests over to the movies or indoor rink that may eventually come to fruitition, maybe a round of golf or two. Money being spent in our town, a destination town by land and sea.

    So if the sea water comes before mankind can fix the dunes, maybe we could get a positive outcome. Hmmm... the Old Harbor Marina.

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  15. Carl Johansen would state that as a town we have many issues that will take better management and money to correct.

    Many concerns from fire and police,schools and protecting our barrier beach all take capitol to resolve the issue at hand.

    Where do we as a town get more money from in order to resolve them? Only by increasing the taxes on every home [Highly unlikely]

    We need to find more commercial base capitol to engage these issue.

    That may prove the town with one way of addresing the present issues, but guess what, we the tax payers have made a sacrifice and provided $50,000 to the SEIC to enhance and address this issue. Has any one seen any results of this seed money or who were the recipants. No one wants to even speak about answering the questions and they are movements under foot to find a way to give them more money,even though this whole thing was supposed to be self funding, without tax payers support.

    Aside from that, if you were a well established business would you move your operation here? Knowing that the town does not have adquate protection in place to properly assure that there operation could be duely protected.


    If you were a family with children , would you move here to Sandwich , knowing the present drug problems in our school system?


    That is why for me it is essentional to have in place an up todate Police, Fire safety building where both can respond in a manner required in todays world.

    An up todate Safety building that can act as a refuge during times of disaster.

    Given the present place these buildings sit, we as a town face an unperiled tragedy. It is only a matter of time, when it will occur and guess what, if those two building are still sitting, where they are today. The human suffering among our citizens will take a toll , that many will never recover from.

    The past two storms that have hit our fair town is only a sampling of what is in store for us. How would you feel, because you did not support replacing these buildings to a much safer area to protect the whole town about this impending tragedy, if your loved one became a victim?

    Now on the other, if we had in hand some one that cared about preserving the barrier beach and something was done with all of the thousands of dollars we have spent on the beach errosion problems, by those charged with the responsabilty, we may be looking at this whole issue in a different manner

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    1. And I thought sequestration was the end of life as we see it.

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    2. We could always seek refuge at one of four schools. The drug problem in Sandwich is with out doubt present, but probably no more so than anywhere else; you seem to be confused most undoubtedbly because the Schools don't admit there is a problem. I think we are adequately protected now. Remember, all the additional calls the fire people make are for the great most part ambulance calls. We don't need to spend 45 million dollars. All we need to do is build two new substations and a smaller new headquarters. Wake up my friend WE DO HAVE IN HAND SOMEONE WHO CARES FOR THE BARRIER BEACH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NO ONE IS LISTENING TO HER.

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  16. I realize that most folks believe the man made jetties are the root of the erosion problem. But the problem was compounded when the necessary paperwork wasn't done to get dredgings, in years past.

    So let mother nature do what she will do, replenish the dunes or continue to take them away. As far as I'm concerned that is one matter we just financially can't afford to keep trying to fix. Outside of the jetties being dismantled or an agreement between the town and the state that we can go at anytime over to Scusset Beach and help ourselves to the sand when we loose some from our dunes, dune loss is out of our financial control.

    Remember residents that buy homes on the ocean's edge do so with full knowledge that the ocean and the weather are very tempermental.

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  17. Carl Johansen would state to 559 if the person you are speaking of Is MRs Irene we did have an hour long conversation prior to the My View Article in yesterdays Cape Cod Times.

    Understanding she has the passion in regards to the present issue of the barrier beach, it is important that the group not send mixed messages to the uninformed public in regards to foot traffic erosion problems caused by years of neglect by those who were
    entrusted to protect it. We are addressing the lack of a prudent plan to prevent further erossion from man, by the town of Sandwich.

    This is not all about replacing sand or the small jetty at the east end of the canal. This is all about common sense. This is about preventing further erosion to a very fragile beach area, by keeping and preventing the human element that use this resource from further destroying it, by allowing every one to play on the dunes. This erossion problem is not just about sand migration, placement of jetties, but the over all will to do the right thing by the putting in place a town management plan that we can do right now to further prevent man from doing more harm then what has allready been done.

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    1. Yes, there are measures to be taken to keep people off the dunes and take care of what we have. However, foot traffic has not been the major cause of erosion. Growing up in Sandwich, we all played in the dunes and they were very high for many years. All one has to do is look at the overhead shot of the two sides of the canal and see the problem. It is clearly obvious we are continuing to be robbed of the sand that replenishes our beach. We are at a tipping point and while I agree that keeping people off the dunes is important - it will not save our beach. We need to replenish our beach and maintain it if we want to keep it.

      One day, the barrier beach will be gone, 6A will be waterfront and there will people around - who remember the beach and boardwalk who will ask...'where is it now? How did they let it go? Why didn't someone do something?' It will be a very sad day.

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    2. Carl Johansen would state that when one looks at the beach at Scusett and observes the natural habitat that is is being enjoyed by those who go to that beach and then observes the beach front all the way down towards Old Harbor, that is starving for sand, one must ask themselves why?

      The main difference between the two other then the length of the jetties is the Scusett side had an egressive management plan in place to slow down the erossion of sand. Mr. Perry the park manager at the time put in place the needed mamnagement plan that rebuilt this area, by renourishment of sand and then placing beach grass over many years to provide a stabilizing barrier against mother nature and man.

      This was acommplished with the assistance from the Massachusetts Beach Buggy Association and other concerned citizens.

      We here on the other hand did not have a management plan in place and in fact removed the one thing that would have at least prevented human traffic from further eroding the barrier beach. All of the Snow fencing was discarded, rolled up and taken to our dump for disposal.

      This was after the membership from the MBBA offered to repair and put the fencing torn down by years of neglect back up at no cost to the town. We were told to go pound sand.

      For me this problem is not only about the short jetty, but a lack of a management plan that prevents further erossion, which gets worst every year from those parading all over the dunes and continue to destroy the very thing that keeps the barrier beach together to fend off the blows we get from mother nature.

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  18. Sandwich wants to build $30 million dollars worth of buildings that they have proven over and over again that they can't take care of? You'd think they were asking for free dirt, uh, what? They can't get that either?

    never mind

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  19. Just make it simple and vote NO on the new building. At that time, the Selectmen will get together and get yet a new study and cut the cost by 20-25%,

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    1. And I will still vote no just for the simple fact that they only brought to us what they wanted and not was best for the town and the taxpayers! Should of provided options.....Period!

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    2. I had missed your post, but I would say you nailed the oak to the floor.

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  20. As far as I'm concerned the SEIC is a joke, they can't even provide a breakdown of the $50,000 they were given at town meeting. If they can't handle that simple accountiong how in the world can they be organized enough to make a professional presentation to a company to move their business here?

    Who in town keeps picking companies for estimates on work that needs to be done and aren't anywhere near the right price for the work? Examples estimate to fix H.S. windows $50,000 now $500,000; Library HVAC $500,000 now need $200-$300,000 more, demolition of Roberti Farm $60,000 the town got poked on that one too.

    I can't believe that IF we get a new library the town wants to keep the old one either for library space or to move the Annex employees over. Another old building that we'd have to keep putting money into that we don't have. Move employees over to Oak Crest and let's start getting rid of all these money pits!

    Holding on to the past is costing this town way too much money. IF someone else wants to buy, maintain and renovate our "historical" town buildings let them buy it and put the building back on the tax roll.

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    1. Here Here

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    2. Clark and Haddad, you are right to praise the prior anonymous. This Town, or rather its so called leaders, excepting Frank, are more interested in their private agenda than for the pockets of the needy in this Town. They put on a good face, but they only care to perpetuate government. I and my husband, for two, will vote down the proposed building. It simply can not be done without a lot of hurt to many taxpayers. Let's put an end to all of this money spending and see what we can do to help the SEIC or whatever it is called to bring business and tax base to Sandwich.

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  21. I strongly support the building of a public safety complex for the requested 30 million dollars. Sandwich will have a higher tax than most of the Cape, but it will be one that will bring in high income taxpayers who will have the deep pockets necessary to build a real town hall, library, senior center, performing arts center, youth center, more soccer fields, conservation areas that can be maintained because we can spend the money to do so. Sandwich could also offer top dollar for teachers, have a brighter populace that will become leaders within the community. Sandwich has a future once it realizes that it must spend much money to reach that future.

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    1. Who are these high income taxpayers that want to move here? I think that people with that kind of money expect something from their taxes, and are diligent in their research before making such a purchase. In other words, I disagree with you philosophy here, I think you are living in a dream world where rich people take care of all your needs. However, if your theory is true, and this Fire/Safety Building project was to bring in high income taxpayers, then I have to wonder, what happens to the rest of us?

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    2. You simply go.

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    3. I grew up here. When the HS was built, it was supposed to be the latest and greatest. The roof leaked then! There were always problems with the pool and still is! There was a small community building for the kids to hang out, and that was closed soon after it was open. Sandwich is known as the oxy distribution center for the cape. Many people have moved from the city but brought the problem with them. You ask how I know, I worked in the city, and l worked at a rehab facility and served in the Coast Guard. Drugs are a problem on Cape. As for money issues, it's always been that way. We let mom and pops come in, and from what I heard, the town couldn't agree on what size rooms so that a hotel could be built, and so after years of being put off dropped their plans. That would have brought tax dollars in and I also heard that wasn’t the biggest problem. As for high income tax payers, forget it. They move into the golf resorts of the town for the summer. Our elderly are getting screwed and our younger families are moving away because there isn't an opportunity living down here. All the big businesses have been chased away. You can’t do the same old thing and expect to survive. The boards in this town need to wake up. Look at the school board; we’re paying for two superintendents all because of not following a rule of law. So you want us to fork over money, start being responsible with what you have..for a fool and his money is soon parted!

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  22. If people leave Sandwich, prices will go down. Smart retirees will move in because of the niceties of the Town. Then prices will go up, they will build all kinds of new schools, offices; make improvements Town; get home prices to rise; get more involved citizenry; and make Sandwich the Lexington of Cape Cod.

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    1. Is that the goal here? Turning Sandwich into the next Hingham or Lexington, where home price median average is $600K. I didn't see that one on the long range plan. Do town officials really want to push out the little guys for the deep pocket crowd? Or is this just an ideal scenario for "some" of those here. You guys are nuts. Sandwich elected officials could never cater to that crowd. They trip all over themselves like clowns coming out of car.

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  23. Carl Johansen would state that after this storm leaves us every one will get the opportunity to see what not protecting our barrier beach Dunes has done to protecting our town.

    Those who continued to walk on the barrier beach since the last storm, can observe what the human toll taken on these dunes has resulted in.

    This beach may now well be closed for the whole summer, as the cement barriers are being placed to prevent any further damage caused by humans.

    The affect of those who feel they are entitled to walk on and over a fragile barrier beach dune , now will get to feel the pain as well as those who cared about the Dunes and observed the regulations in place.

    By Saturday every one will simply be amazed by the force of water, when it has nothing in place to stop the furry of the waves crashing across the cuts. The levels of water inside the marsh might even cause more damage to the board walk itself along with the low lying areas behind 6A.

    Route 6A will see standing water on the road near the police and fire station, those houses that just put sand in front of there homes may well be gone completly.

    Just think, we are only reacting to this problem, imagine what may have been a different event had we been proactive and kept the entitled of the dunes a long time ago.

    It is not all about a sand starved beach or a short jetty that may rob our beaches from migrating sand. We cannot change what mother nature can cause, but if we respected the purpose of a barrier beach, we would have slowed down the results.

    Where is our Lone Ranger?

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    1. I had heard a RUMOR, that the town was going to start trucking in sand this week. However it was put off to after the storm. Smart decision on their part if its true, the sand would of gone out with the storm and from the looks of things that would of been the case. And once again we would of had more wasted money. Again RUMOR, unless someone can verify.

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    2. I thought you were the Lone Ranger.

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    3. After seeing what the ocean is taking, I am left wondering about this dumping of sand at the beach. I see it as building a sandcastle on the beach with the tide coming in. You can make it as tall as you want, but when the ocean comes in, it will wash it all away. Yes, it will make our beachgoing nice this summer, but next winter or during the next hurricane, doesn't the sand just get washed away again? And comparing a raging ocean to a person walking on a dune is actually no comparison at all. People don't do this damage, mother nature does; and she wins all the time whether we like it or not.

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  24. I tried to get educated on the public safety builidng issues. Studied the website, went to a meeting, wrote the committee, watched the selectmen's discussion. I will vote NO. Just look at the public sector makeup of the committee! Who is responsible for its membership? Who could be surprised the members of this committee have presented a bloated budget palace with amenities more appropriate to a country club. For ex., how many offices do you know of with private showers and toilets and workout rooms? Does anyone know how much extra it will cost to operate this facility year after year after year? Buying it is but the first expense.

    Many complain about a "political class" at the federal level. This proposal confirms we have one right here. It is way more than we need and should have been sent back by the selectmen months ago. Mr. Pannorfi recognized this and voted that it should not be on the warrant. Well done. The rest of the selectmen and the manager have passed the buck without taking a stand. Where is the leadership?

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  25. Carl Johansen would agree on attempting to compare mother natures destruction to human destruction to a beach.
    Having said that we are not speaking about just a beach, we are speaking about a Barrier beach.
    The Barrier beach derives its strength from the beach grass that holds the sand in place. Not only on the part of the dunes facing the water , but on the top and side facing the marsh as well.

    What some may not want to except is walking on the grass, opens up weak points that when the water is surging , open the wounds even more. Not only from the force of the water from the ocean, but when it comes back out from the area it floods out.
    It is this cycling of power that erodes these weak spots placed in the dunes by humans walking all over indiscrimently causing many weak spots and if the water rushing in does not take out, the rush of the water coming back out will.

    A good stabile beach front would have a gradual sand allotment of sand placed out from the dune structure to into the water itself.For the whole length of the beach itself. The Barrier beach Dune, would have sufficient height and width, along with healthy beach grass in place in sufficient thickness to hold it in place.

    Both sides of the Dunes would afford some protection from any battering occured by storm conditions.

    With out snow fencing in place on the inside of the barrier beach Dune to prevent human erossion problems and humans continue to kill the very way the dune protects against the storm surges Mother nature gets to do more harm then usual.

    The facts remain that Town Neck Barrier beach has been disrespected for so many years, by those that feel they are entitled to walk on the dunes , that the dunes can not provide any measure of protection to the marsh any longer.

    Placing sand on a sand starved beach and now the Dunes themselves will reguire a long range management program that will cover many years, along with adding the beach grass and fencing to further provide some protection to it as it is renourished and maintained.

    It has taken some 30 years to get to the situation it is in now and after this storm is all done , one may well see the after affects of those who did not do there job to protect it. We are all included in that damage to the barrier beach, Mother Nature, Human Traffic, Shifting Sand, Wood walk ways over the dunes onto the beach front, placement of jettys, lack of any concern when it was in a correctable stage, by those entrusted with that responsibilty.

    A Barrier beach serves a different purpose other then for recreational reasons. This barrier beach provids a physical security blanket to the whole historical down town area and once it is no longer able to do the job . The water levels will rise, erodding the sand beneath many of the homes and other structures, that were put in place on filled land from early times.


    Since Town Neck Beach is also a nesting place for endangered species, it would have in place a proper protective area to protect the endangered species from human and wild life encounters as well




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  26. Carl Johansen would state 1232 that if the proposal for the new safety building was where he wanted it to be built , he also may have approved it.

    With all of his concerns and differances from the first time he was elected as an selectmen, why is it, he still has the same concerns, the second time around??

    One would have thought those issues would have been corrected before the vote was taken to finaly allow the taxpayers to have a voice in the matter. That also has been another point , where we the folks who pay the bills are not prepared enough to decide that for ourselves.

    Just because he voted no, on allowing the citizens to vote about an issue that concerns every one , does not make it right.

    If we had taken the same approach on the new town hall, we would still would be sitting here asking why?

    The time to act is now and face the issue if the taxpayers want a new fire/safety complex and it they do not , then another hurdle will have been crossed. Reasonable people will find reasonable solutions that can work for every one. That is unless you are just thinking about an increase in your tax bill?

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    1. I just don't get you, not at all.

      First of all, 12:32 was correct when he said or eluded to the fact that the make-up of the committee may have been wrong, they were public sector employees working for the man who wanted the it located where it is poposed to be built long ago. Another poster suggested that the whole proposal was a set-up, you know, they come in with the elaborate plan with the bells and whistles, hope it might fly, then if it does not, they go with their plan B. They don't have one, at least publically.

      The fact is, that in this town, people take positions, don't back down from them, even if they are wrong, and look at any argument that will support them.* If one were to accept your reasoning about the people getting to vote, then they should just eliminate to board of Selectmen altogether. They are the leaders of this town, at least they should be, and they had a chance to make changes as suggested by citizens and by one lone selectman (the true lone ranger), but the "go-alongs" just moved to shove the whole project down our throats.

      If I might take one of your cocamamie arguments, debt of our children. First, our children for the most part will never live here once they have seen that they can not earn from here of find the ammenities of an average town. If we listened to Pannorfi, it would have put even a less cost to "our children". That kills that dumb argument.

      Secondly, as a constitutionalist as you proport to be, you would understand that as towns get larger, town meeting gets less representative of the citizens of those towns. As money and other significant issues go before voters, it is imperative that the leaders sift through recommendations and place before the voters what is best for them as taxpayers and for the public safety personnel as those who will live and work in the proposed ediface. Only Mr. Pannorfi did this. Only he truly represented the taxpayers.

      I guess that I will keep from rambling anymore and close out. In case you have not noticed, this town is in deep deep poop. Citizens do not question anything because the town dictator has all the answers. Only Frank stood up for the people. What he said, had you listened, was that the committee should go back to the drawing table and come up with a better proposal. They will have to after the vote.

      *this is the main reason this town is disfuntional. There is always someone trying to put a monkey-wrench into any proposal and a few that even think they know everthing about everything and yet fewer who attempt to destroy others in the process.

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  27. Carl Johansen would state to 646.

    Apparently you have some insite into the mind set of Frank who you seem to support in doing the correct thing for our town.

    At one time we would have agreed with you , that indeed he may have been the Lone Ranger to save our fair town. We made an effort to tell him so. However when he became the Chair of the board of selectmen, he became a dictator of policy, that only he would approve.

    Therin lies the matter of caring about the whole town and not just what he wanted to see go forward to the voters of Sandwich.

    Just look at his input into the SEIC and how it was sold to our town as as self supporting great thing for our town . They still do not have a bylaw policy in place , they still do not supply the town clerks office with a voice recording of there meetings, couple that along with the lack of any direction in accounting for how the $50,000 was given out and you call him a leader? That is not any leader that I would adhere too.

    We could discuss the recent problems our town barrier beaches and how on many occasions we brought to him the concerns as to what will be the result of not puting in place a preventive program to reduce the onslaught damage to our barrier beach. He had the opportunity to make a difference and in my opinion he did not.

    If the members of the board of selectmen had been more involved in placing some safe guards in place to our barrier beaches over the years, rather then blaming the ACOE, that would have shown leadership, but he along with others no longer sitting failed that leadership role to our town.

    We could go on about other failed leadership roles, but for now, placing the safety building before the voters to see if it fails or passes is the first step in seeing if in fact it passes or fails.

    If it Fails and it may very well fail, then every one will get the SAME MESSAGE on how to correct it. You may not feel that we all should determine our own fate here in Sandwich and leave that decision up to our leaders of our town, after all, they are our legally elected represenatives. We do not.

    Unless and until all who will be affected get on the same page, nothing will get acomplished in the great town of Sandwich. Those who pay the bills and fail to get involved with these issues facing our town can no longer cry about the lack of leadership from one point of veiw.

    If one listens to a dictator, then the results may not be what you can expect to occur.

    If one does ask questions of concerns and you get no answers from the leaders we elect, then it is time to act in what ever way it is possible.

    Also do not believe what is stated in a public forum is the same when in excutive session. You just might get a whole different meaning to DICTATOR.

    Now smile

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  28. Here, Here 1232 and 0646! Town meeting has indeed become the proverbial dinosaur of government structures. There is more good debate here on this topic than there will be at town meeting. The ballot box will be much more representative.

    The problem with this project is not the concept, but the grandiose scale, amenities, unnecessary redundancies and price tag. Perhaps a more broadbased committee could be created. The selectmen knew this particular project was over the top and that the resistence was mostly financial. They sidestepped their duty to filter projects in the best interests of taxpayers before town meetings. Like Pannorfi apparently did. Or, could it be that the others really have joined that " elite political class" that is always willing to spend our money on their monuments even if we can't afford it. As was said, if filtering things like this is not part of the selectmen's role, why are they there?

    I am confident that public safety can be enhanced at a lower cost.

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  29. Unfortunately the committee feels that we need all the extra amenties such as exclusive bathrooms, a gym, oversized rooms and the lists goes on and on that brings up the costs to where most residents and taxpayers cant afford.

    If we are going to spend extra money I would rather see us hiring MORE safety personnel on both sides fire and police! Thats what is going to protect us not the oversized and extra wants building. Never mind the money we would be saving on overtime. Yes, maybe one could use the arguement when you add in all the insurance and taxes that the town needs to pay on FTE's it would be more. But in the long run the town would get more for their buck and the safety personnel wouldn't be overworked and exhausted on the job as is currently happening! Has anyone talked to any of these employees besides the top administration positions...the ones that do the actual hands on work day in and out, night in and night out! You should that if they will talk to you because many feel they can't because of the gag order thats been placed on them by their superiors! Just that fact alone is wrong! Thats another story within itself!

    One really thinks too, that folks will move in to this town because we have "the state of art" safety building. I would rather think one would inquire on the school system, crime stats as well as other services the town offers! I can't see one driving from town to town looking at ones town safety building to see it to make such a decision!

    I could go on and on but enough is enough!

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  30. Thank you 9:02 for the here, here. The problem with one constant thorne in the side of Sandwich is that he believes that he is correct on anything he says or does, and to that, he has a right, but when he argues not from just the point of what is in the best interests of Sandwich, but must bring in attacks on other, he is wrong. I believe you have rather succintly put my argument on this blog. It is more important for Sandwich to get it correctly by doing the right thing. The right thing is to give the taxpayers a better process and review for this project. I can't wait to see how the Selectmen take all the bull poop that will be flung from the floor of Town Meeting.

    What the majority on this issue is doing is a crime of sorts to humankind.

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  31. The town should of spent the "fence money budget" on snow fence for the barrier beach instead of all the split rail fence the town has installed around town the last few years!

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  32. Carl Johansen would state to 606 If the town did not roll up all of the snow fencing a few years back and threw it away , we would not have a need for any money for snow fencing at all. It was easier to roll it up then enforce keeping people of the dunes. No snow fencing around to keep the dunes safe from walkers has been one of the contributing factors these past years that have aided in destroying what was left of the fragile barrier beach after all of Mother natures actions.

    The department charged with this responsabilty, needs some one who has a better grasp of beach dynamics, but for now that horse has left the barn. The end of Town Neck barrier beach will soon be a sand spit and it will not afford any more protection to the historical part of town.

    As of now the Town Neck Parking Lot has been closed of until further notice, this is something that should have been done after the very first storm. Nothing like closing the gate after the horse leaves the barn.

    Some of the barrier beach can still be saved, but it will take a good management program over several years implemented to make it work.

    All the dune walkers can now find another place to walk, hopefully they stay off the board walk and go swimming some where else. Can you believe that parents were assisting there children yesterday over the signage to walk across the boardwalk. No wonder we have some that fail to comprehend what a stop sign means. We even had one who decided to drive his four wheeler around on the beaches,

    Putting sand on this beach now, just to fill in the holes will now be a complete waste of time and money. That is unless you can find an unlimited source of comparable sand free some where and then plant beach grass and restrict all human traffic until it takes hold.

    That process could take as much as 5 years, given financial resolve to in fact do it right.

    If those that have decided to walk over the dunes continue, with what is left , we will need to move back all the houses located along the shore line at Town Neck to higher ground

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  33. Two items today


    I spoke with two firemen and one policeman and found that all of them were against the new Public Saftey Complex. A ways back, someone asked if the unions were for or against this project. Does anyone out there know?

    I ate my lunch inside the Jersey barriers (no one challanged me while in my car). They were open for what I am guessing were trucks bringing tons of sand and putting it in the parking lot which I would assume means that it will be put on the beach or dunes or maybe both. Does anyone know who is paying for it. Will the sand be there in April?

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  34. Guess the rumors weren't rumors last week. I also heard today that local, meaning Sandwich businesses, aren't even hauling the sand. What a shame and embarassment that the powers that be can't even give the trucking to the businesses in our town. Once again send the money out of town rather than help local, in town businesses. I'm assuming, and we know what that means, that our DPW department will be using their dozers etc. to move the sand. Or will the town give that to an out of town business? Or to a favored company by the powers that be? Heard that the town is only recommending one company to homeowners looking to replenish their dunes. How is the town paying for all this sand? What are they paying per yard of delivered sand? Did they shop around for the best price,doubt it!

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  35. To all those who are so knowledgable about the beaches, what happened to your knowledge of how we are once again being ripped off. And, remember too, that this project is not nearly as important at the public safety building. If you can't trust our leaders with the beach, how can you trust them with the Taj Mahal?

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  36. Carl Johansen would say that the reason you see private haulers is because three home owners will be paying $200,000 to put sand in front of there homes at Town neck. The parking lot is being used as a staging area.If and when the town gets into the placement of sand on the rest of the beach, they will not be planting any beach grass or installing snow fencing, so the paper has indicated. This will be a waste of money and time.

    As far as several of the police and fire department personal not voting for the new safety buildings goes both Unions voted to approve this complex, so one can assume that only a minority do not, unless the vote was tainted.

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    1. Do you write for the Cape Cod Times?

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  37. Back to rumors being rumors, if you can believe everything in the Cape Cod Times. Sand being delivered to Town Neck is for homeowners. Still hope when the time comes that the town will use local contractors.

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  38. Carl Johansen would clarify that the parking lot area is being used by the town to offload sand to get it ready to be placed on town property.

    The three home owners are using a public way to place sand in front of there property, they are using smaller trucks for hauling in the sand.

    The town only has a small window of opportunity to get the sand on the town beach. The reason why is that the piping plovers will soon be making a grand entrance to lay eggs. Once they begin all work will come to a close, that is why the town has only been given permission to spread it as long as it is all done by April first. Should the birds show up in the mean time , all work might just end as the birds are protected under endangered species act.

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    1. May God Bless America.

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    2. Carl Johansen would like to correct a statement above as to the sand on the Towns Parking Lot at Town neck Beach.

      The town has given the three home owners the permission to use the parking lot to place sand that they will spread across there property in front of the homes. None of that sand is for the town dunes destruction. The three home owners have also been provided a way over the dunes to drive the Heavy equipment

      Just to correct the misinformation provided to me when speaking to one of the drivers bringing in sand.

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    3. Next time you use your assumed investigative abilities, maybe you should give us your sources.

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  39. Carl Johansen would say to 902. It is apparent that the mantra to save our town beaches is only about saving the beaches in front of the homes along the beach front at Town Neck, at the expence of the whole town.

    Just think about all of that sand now sitting on the pavement in the parking lot is now going to be driven over what remains of the only stable part of the dunes to renourish a small portion of a public beach front.A public beach that just happens to be in front of those folks who own property there. Why are we allowing further damage to what remains of our dunes that protect the Marsh to be compromised?

    Perhaps you can answer that question at your next board of selectmans meeting?

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  40. Carl, as usual, you don't address the issue presented. I think 9:02 was simply meaning to ask you to reveal your sources. Those sources might be, town employees or officials, truck drivers, neighbors, newspapers etc. There appeared to be some changes in your different postings. Not a problem, don't be so touchy.

    It is interesting that you seem to write your last post as if you had to defend saving the barrier beach against just saving those with property. I think you should know, I have been acting in doing so for quite a while now. As for those with property, they knew or should have known that this day would come. I do feel sorry for them, but its their problem not the taxpayers.

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  41. Since the Roberti farm has been torn down, can the town now sell the land on which it once stood?

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  42. Carl Johansen would state to 908 that in the world of posting we call that baiting .

    We had already answered your question, perhaps you would like to go over the last post as it clearly indicates the answer to your question.

    Since we as a town have not put in force a beach management program, we have seen more devastation by nature and man. How can one make a hole in a dune to drive out on a beach , when the same thing could have been accomplished by using the public way that is presently right next to the homes getting the sand.

    How did the Board of Selectmen even approve such an idea?

    Who will get the bill for all of the road repairs and making whole the dunes that were opened to drive on the beach>

    We the taxpayers of Sandwich will get this bill in some way or another.

    I also feel bad about any one losing a home, no matter where they put it, but like you posted, they knew that when they bought property on FILLED land along a coastal waterfront will have its challenges, when ever Mother nature get her dander up.

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  43. Carl, if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. You should just stop ruffling feathers and get down and dirty with work. Start a committee, join a committee, become active, don't just throw our solutions, become the solution. One who does not know you and just reads you is not impressed. I know they are not impressed by me, but I do what I can. I do join active groups and I am now trying to set myself up for some board in Town. Believe me, you should too.

    NOW SMILE!

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  44. Carl Johansen would comment that the farm is under a long term contract with a tree farm. They have planted trees of all shapes and sizes to be sold at some point in time

    My guess would be no at this time, because of the contract the tree farm was granted by the town

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  45. They could sell the land with the contract in place. It is done daily. Would they, I don't think so.

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  46. I will vote in favor of the new building. Without one, the Town will be in trouble. They need one and now is the best time.

    Vote yes.

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    1. Really.....and why would that be?

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    2. Because without a new building and with the old one washed away, there will be no home for the fire and police. On second thought, maybe we could park the rolling stock at Sandwich Hollows where the new main headquarters should be.

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    3. We don't need a 30 million building plus how many millions to outfit it to house the 2 departments. You talk about those buildings being washed away what about all the issues with our children in this town with substance abuse!! What about a building to help them!! A place for them to go.....
      If you want to spend 30 million I am all for it but on many.....Scale back the public safety building, build a rec center for the children/teens in our community, build a center for our seniors and a library too!! Lets spend the 30 million but on EVERYONE!!!!!

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  47. Here's the problem. The total cost of everything we need is well in excess of $100,000,000 when you take into account the total interest service. Our so called leaders just don't get it, we need a larger tax base. We have one Selectman who uses specious arguments to show how much better we have it when compared to Mashpee because of its tax base. There are probably several dozens of ideas that the "common folks" have that would raise our base by quite a bit. Why not a community forum on ideas. We the people, you know, the ones that foot the bill, just might have some really great ideas. Instead of giving away the Golden Triangle, the leaders, so called, should look into better ways of development. They might engage the SEIC to find someone to take over. If we don't we will not have a police/fire house, a childrens center, an old folks center, library. Its time for change in this Town from the old not working ways to a vibrant vision such as Mashpee had.

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    1. I agree. I'm not for raising our taxes one single penny until something starts to happen where the burden does not lie with the property owner. Nothing, not one penny should even be spent in our minds. It's okay to "wish" for stuff, I do it all the time, but that doesn't mean I start taking money out of my kids bank accounts or spend money that I don't have to accommodate my whimsical needs. There has to be a way to get more business in this town. A public forum should be considered. If the ideas don't work or have already been considered, it can be discussed. We have to do something. The way things have been run in this town need to change if you want to keep families and those on a fixed income here.

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  48. $3.4 million 12,000 sq. ft. brand new police station in Waterville Maine, being built right now.

    We can spend $30 million dollars much more efficiently! Have multiple new fire/safety buildings for mcuh less than $30 million and even other new buildings than just fire and police.

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  49. Its to bad that more of us were not in attendance at meetings where the station was discussed. If we had made it clear to the Selectmen that we would not accept this overpriced building, but would accept what is reasonable in view of our finances, they may have understood and it would have been a win win for the people and the leaders. Now when they lose the battle, they will have to go back to the drawing board and spend yet another year trying to make something work.

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  50. 7:26, what you say about it being too bad that more people did not attend meetings is quite true, however, I am sure the Selectmen did not want a lot of people attending and did not want their input. They have the plans they want and will ram it down our throats. I did not think so a month ago, but now I am thinking that people are at last fed up with the management of the Town by its boards and its appointees.

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  51. Carl Johansen would state to Mr. Hunt that in todays Sandwich Enterprise your blog was given a great deal of space for the above subject matter in regards to the safety buildings Some good commantary, but misinformation as well

    Can you please provide some input as to the comments being made in regards to how many actual people are posting on this particular subject matter , especially when a good percentage of the postings have nothing to do with the safety complex at all.

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  52. Carl, why does it matter, this information that you seek. I thought her commentary in the paper was interesting until I read her last statement "Patience will be needed at the Annual Town Meeting with so many serious issues brewing. I hope the level of frustration I sense in the community will not spill over and interfere with the decisions that need to be made". Really, lady, "Interfere" I thought that was the whole point of the town meeting. To get this out and debate them before we vote. And so what if our frustrations spill over? Really, you'd think some people own the Town Meeting and call it their own. Interfere, are you kidding me?

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    1. 7:15- Two points from me.

      You are right about stating "what does it matter". The fact that she was incorrect about postings is the least of our problems. Her point was, I think, that many seem to venting their frustrations and that maybe that is a precursor of things to come at Town Meeting. Getting her numbers on postings is a red herring to steer people away from the real issues being brought up here about how people are taking this new Public Safety Building.

      As for Town Meeting. You will quickly see that the Moderator will look only to "moving along" the meeting. That means that some citizens who rarely speak will not get a chance to voice their opinion. When I first moved to New England, I thought Town Meeting was the voice of the people, but believe me, it is the tool of the Moderator.

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  53. I so hope there is not a presentation of the PSC at town meeting. People didn't bother to go to all the presentations held over the last several months. Everyone can get all the information to make an informed decision on the town website. Please, please, please NO PSC PRESENTATION AT TOWN MEETING!!!!!!!!!! Discuss and vote, don't waste 20+ minutes of begging for your complex.

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  54. I vote only in Town elections. Once a year, I put in a few votes for Mickey Mouse and depart. Any way you look at it you lose. I can't believe I went to war for all this.

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  55. Carl Johansen would state to 715 If one goes to town meeting prepared and you wish to speak. Then simply get up to the mike and speak.

    Town meeting was established to do just that, you have the right and privledge to stand before your peers and express your concerns on any matter printed in the town warrant.

    You can prepare yourself by picking up a copy of the warrant articles ,before you even go to town meeting, once they are printed. You will have ample time to sit down, read it and outline what ever you choose speak about on any article in the warrant.

    We have never ever had any problems speaking to any article on the warrant and given the present Moderators past performance , we do not see that changing any time soon.

    As far as the presentation, in regards to the safety building. One can expect a power point slide show. You would be amazed at how many that attend town meeting at times do not even have a clue as to what is happening, until they look at the warrant, after taking a seat for the meeting itself.

    Be prepared, for a two night session.

    Bring a little water , sit back and wait for your opportunity to speak if you wish, I doubt that all those sitting on the stage will be listing, but you just might get the ear of some that really care about our town and will make the attempt to do the right thing for those who pay the bills.

    Of particular note is how the recent board of selectmen changed a vote to allow the citizens of Sandwich to have the meal tax imposed to not have that on the warrant, relying upon a citizens partician artcle to make it happen or not.
    Apparently the Chamber of Commerce applied some pressure to have it removed from the warrant. Meals tax would give our town about $285,000 to be used in a designated capitol expense, such as building maintence, road works, or even beach renourishment.

    In conversations with other tax payers here in Sandwich, the word cowardly came up from many.

    It now looks like when a vote is going to be taken and pressure gets applied, the subject will come back up and voted again on to change what ever the first vote approved or did not approve. What a way to manage a town

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    1. From 7:15. Hey Carl, I've been to the town meetings (many). I know the drill. I will try to be informed the best I can be. A 3-minute limit to speaking is sufficient, I like it best when people just make their points and move on. It doesn't have to be drawn out and lengthy time at the microphone. I find that to be selfish and self-serving. I will never vote to approve this Meals Tax. No more taxes, nothing more from me, even if the money is finally designated to go somewhere useful. Maintenance of town property is finally being addressed now that we've had a storm and failed in epic style. It's laughable how this town got caught with it's pants down!! So when it comes to the Meals Tax, I feel it's just another way to make me pay for their stupidity and lack of action in the past. I'm sure there's already a budget item for maintenance, isn't there? I don't like sneaky taxes anyway, there are too many of those already in my life. Pay More, Get Less!! That's the new normal and I'm sick and tired of it.

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    2. I'm not sure where your coming from. Of course, you always get to speak your mind. You are always one of the first in line when you care to speak on a subject at Town Meeting. That's fine with me, but several times when I wanted to speak, I was shut off because I was standing in line and someone decided to "move he question". There is one individual who got angry about a school issue, to the point, I thought, was almost threatening, and then, a bit later decides that he will call the question.

      I speak when I feel that I have something to say. I try to be brief, never having spoken for more than a minute or two. I am always as polite as my mom taught me to be. Then there are times when I can not reach the podium because a moved question. So you see all, you really don't always have the right to speak. You can only speak if someone doesn't call the question and then gets that vote.

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  56. Can everyone also please keep in mind that in the next couple of years the amount of taxes that the State and Federal Government is planning to collect from you is going to be outrageous. More than anyone thinks. When calculating all the new tax money this town wants, remember the State and the Feds are also going to come knocking on your door. Plan for it, and vote accordingly.

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  57. I was going to vote yes on this until this blog showed me the the leaders are not doing there best for us. Let them figure out what to do when we vote it down.

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  58. The Sandwich Police Department already has a huge Budget with not to good of a track record with it's officers being arrested, suspended, harassing local Teenagers at the High School, recently using a Taser on a did. You have to tell be that an armed Officer cannot handle as drunk High School kid. The last two years have been very poor, There are financial "wants and needs" They simply do not need it, but it is on their "wants" list. I would love a Mercedes, but cannot afford it and to increase Real Estate Taxes and burden the town with more Long Term Debt is not the way to go. There is additional cost in disposing of the existing building, which may be renovated and upgraded. Officers get up to 100,000 grand with overtime in a town with little or no serious crime. 31 officers for what? Many of these officers could not work in a major city with serious crime daily. Working as a cop in Sandwich is like working in Camelot... The relationship between the High School and the Police is terrible, as is the town. Your afraid to speak out about them, or you will be targeted by some of their local notorious Bully Officers.

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