Thursday, May 5, 2011

Sandwich school committee: Eleventh hour decisions

Is it just me, or are we witnessing (once again) that elections, or the threat of them, have consequences?

Just before last year’s school committee election, our superintendent’s contract was renewed at a rushed and what turned out to be a nullified meeting. This year, two days before election day, the superintendent was banned from school property except for three hours a day after everyone else is gone.

Last night’s meeting was a caricature of the in-fighting and dysfunction that has plagued the school committee for the past two years.

I’m off to the polls. Join me.

155 comments:

  1. Carl Johansen would state that Marshal Law has overtaken the Sandwich School System.

    No matter how you slice it this conflicted chair has placed another dark cloud over the school system and economic growth here in our town.

    Search out Sandwich on the internet and you will get many rerasons, no one would even think of moving here if they have any children in the family.

    Let us all hope that this changes by the end of todays voting process. At last count, we have had about 600 come out to vote.Let us all hope that number jumps dramatically over the course of the day.
    It would appear that the wolf's are running the chicken house, so look out for the eggs that will getting dropped after tonight.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  2. They Way I See It...

    I guess we, as a community, did not move forward as much as we thought we were going to after the last election. The new School Committee Chairman, who stated in the meeting prior to his selection that he would be available more so now than the previous year, immediately had a conflict when asked about getting together on Monday night regarding an on-going and serious issue that needs to be addressed. So much for availability. What was also disconcerting was that the new Chair who made a big deal of not being informed of goings on prior to the election was adamant of having the next meeting regarding Dr. Johnson held in Executive Session, even though Dr. Johnson clearly stated prior to the election she wanted the next meeting to be held in open session. Was this just a ploy? The Vice Chair stated she believes it is a plus not to have a student in the school system. She also has quite a history of not being available when needed, and she consistently votes, “No” or “Abstains”. She proceeded down that same path again last night abstaining because “I didn’t review the warrants”. Does that surprise anyone? I guess so much for moving forward.



    Congratulations to Frank (Selectman Chair) and John (Vice-Chair) on their selections. Now maybe at least the Board of Selectmen leadership will listen more and have more of an open mind and not lecture as has been the case of previous leadership team.

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  3. Anonymous "the way I see it". Have no fear, Mr. Cahill's dupliciy will come out and oh how I will laugh.

    The Selectmen will have a tough year as the only one that complains about or even mentions the word "politics" will keep it lively. Listen and read everything she says because it will have big D politics in it.

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  4. The Way I See It…



    Interestingly is how the Cape Cod Times chose to bury the announcement of the closed door meeting of the School Committee on Monday, May 16, regarding the alleged harassment complaint against Dr. Johnson. Prior to the election it was all about an open meeting by Dr. Johnson, now that there is a New Majority, it is behind closed doors again by Dr. Johnson’s request. How many times has this flipped flopped, and think about why. This meeting is going to affect the financial future of our town. I hope everyone understands that. Should the School Committee allow this alleged harassment to continue, we are opened up to substantial liability. Dr. Johnson, along with the current School Committee Chair, made it a campaign issue that this should be an open meeting. The Times made this Front Page sensational headline news for two days, along with other perceived issues. Now it is second page news and doesn’t even make the online announcements. I guess it is more important online that we know about how a Washington State trooper shot and killed a wild pig. It begs the question, “Why the inequitable reporting of this situation?”

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  5. The reason is simply the paper and simmons and his bloggers were out to get Sherry not reelected at any cost of the truth.

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  6. What is going on?

    Why hasn’t the issue of the alleged harassment complaint against Dr. Johnson been resolved? Wasn’t there a meeting of the School Committee on Monday night? You would never know by the lack of coverage of the Cape Cod Times. Yes, there was a story buried on page two today, but the Times online version was more interested in your vote on what your favorite bird on the Cape is than this story. Mr. Cahill sure had a lot to say before the elections. Ms. Killion hasn’t been heard on the radio at all this week. Certain people who in the past had negative opinions about the School Committee are uncharacteristically quiet. They always had an opinion before. Do they know something we don’t? Is this the new change that was voted in?

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  7. For May 18 at 5:23. Mr. Cahill was sarcastic in the way he spoke to and about the former majority. Now that he chairs the new majority, you will find that you won't get muh information.

    I wondered what happened Monday too. It would seem that there was no vote to let Mary Ellen back to the office. I read somewhere that when things like this happen, the parties are typically separated. She is still separated so I guess the majority may have found her guilty. It will take weeks for the truth to come out when the closed meeting of the executives comes out, time will have passed, no one will any longer care.

    Mr. Johansen, you are awfully quiet abou this. Are you totally moved on to the great pond issue? I think this issue is more important at this time because "it's for the kids". What say you?

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  8. To Braless 32A

    If you say Mr. Cahill was sarcastic, and the new majority is keeping this entire matter under wraps how is this better than the previous School Committee? Those who ran for the committee and their blogger supporters that called for more open dialogue must be keeping their opinions to themselves. That is so unlike them. Unless they know something the rest of us don’t know. One thing for sure, don’t expect to see anything in the Cape Cod Times, there is no election to affect, so it is not worth writing about.

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  9. Carl Johansen would state,
    Good Morning Braless I did post a response asking to get some clarity on basis questions regarding the Past chair. Our host felt that at this time since she is no longer in the public domain, that at least for now they were a little much. After reviewing my questions I would agree that at this time perhaps we all need need to move on.

    Now as to MR. Cahill the new chair of our school committee. Given that the Union rep was demanding some sort of an action, with out knowing all of the facts in the matter was a little contensious. He decided to go into excutive session to get briefed on all of the facts, before addressing what or if any action is appropreate.

    The session was announced during the meeting so that any one who had an interest, were provided the information[ no secret about the meeting]

    One will agree that some of these meetings being called for that are going from public to private and then back to public, sort of develope as the situations change. All the parties involved including the past leadership have done it no different over the past year or so. The huge difference may be if all members actually are notified in private to any excutive meeting not announced in public?

    You can rest assured that I will be following the school matters very closely as a new super takes over and past sins come up to be discussed. We all may get our eyes opened, included yours truely.

    As far as moving on to another situation, perhaps, but both are very important to the future of our children here in Sandwich.

    If we cannot save our Natural Resources here in Sandwich the young among us lose the appreciation of the benifits of our resources into the future. After all it helps to provide our drinking water and protects it into the future for every one, including our eco system we all rely upon to survive.

    Besides it is time to take a brain drain and spend a little time on some pressing family matters, that seem to get neglected during the time spent on personal concerns here in Sandwich.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  10. Braless 32A my old friend! I am just back from Barbados so catching up on the local gossip is the last thing on my list. Time will heal the open wounds in this town. Give Shaun a chance. He is a good honest individual as Sherry was a good honest individual. Politics are local. Stop picking on Carl....without him, so much would pass without being noticed. What do you say we bury the hatchets, link arms for the sake of the entire town and sing 'Peace Train' by Cat Stevens. Listen to the words....a very old song that we youngins grew up to during another very turbulent time. Are ya game my old friend?

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  11. Amazing what an election can do. I am glad to see that the demeaning characterizations and misstatements from the previous posters no longer seem to be part of their repertoire (we will see how long that will last). I guess that’s what happens when your elected officials on the BOS and School Committee are now in the driver’s seat. Maybe they can tell us what has happened to the Superintendent?

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  12. Carl,

    I liked what you wrote. Although I did not agree with it completely, it was pretty much what my understanding is of the situation with the schools. One thing however, that you wrote, concerns me. When you talk about sins of the past. Hopefully tne new Superintendent will not point out how he is doing it correctly and it wasw not done correctly by Ms. Johnson or the past Superintendents or allowed to continue by the old school boards. What he does need to do is to make changes because he feels they are right to make, not because he knows better than what some people call the "good 'ol boy network. I don't think it existed, but that is just me.

    We need a superintendent who does not have to adnausiam tell us how hard he works and how he watches every penny and how he thinks of only the kids, and on and on about how good he is; these are reasons for which he was hired, he doesn't have to tell us. If he does his job, WORKS with people, then he will be OK, if he looks to blame others and push even more people out, I hope he leaves. We will see

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  13. Babe, your last paragraph says it all. If Mrs. Johnson had only done that then she would still be here.

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  14. The poster at 10:57 AM says to give Mr. Cahill the benefit of the doubt. Something the poster never afforded the previous School Committee Chair. Mr. Cahill only added to the problems last year from the beginning when he was not voted in as Chair. He did not seem to be available, or had “conflicts” with his schedule that seemed to be a non-issue when he was asked about his availability for this year. The jury is still out on how well he will work with this group, I only hope that he has the same commitment to all members on the School Committee. He took on that responsibility, he now owns it.

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  15. Poster of 10:23. Well put. The hypocracy in our local government must cease.

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  16. Where in the world is our Superintendent?

    She has been incommunicado basically all week. Her lawyer isn’t talking (that is a story in itself), her supporters are mum (another shocker), and don’t expect to see anything in the Cape Cod Times. Why all the secrecy Mr. School Committee Chair, Ms. Vice Chair and School Committee members? Don’t we as parents have a right to know where she is and what she is doing, or not doing?

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  17. Carl Johansen would state

    The past school committee members banned her from the school building, except from the hours from 3 till 7. It is possible she might have decided to take some vacation or sick time????

    It is possible that she is working from her house, what ever that may be.

    Between the school attorneys and the present silence by excutive session, no one will know until it has all been worked out.

    The desicion was made by the previous school committee to bann her during the normal school days, in my mind, tells every one they did not care how she did her work nor from where.

    So a better question would be, why did they not provide the language in the banning process, as to what her duties would be, while she was not able to be in the buildings during the normal school day????

    One could surmise that should have been part of the dictate, when they made the decision in the first place.

    As the school committee is her boss, it should have been put into the discussion process, as they were the ones to make the decision and it should have made public to the taxpayers of Sandwich. I do not recall any remedial action being stated other then she was being banned.

    One needs to consider the normal work day of some one that works at a school position is from 7 in the morning untill 3 in the afternoon. She is not obligated to work outside of those hours, though she has done that voluntarily since she was employed.

    I am sure before this is all set and done every one will be supplied an answer, in some cases we may not like the answers, but it is what it is. It is time to move forward and upwards towards rebuilding the Sandwich school district, because non of can or will be able to change what has happened so far in many situations that have transpired over the past year.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  18. What is happening now is a direct result of the present School Committee actions. We are now back to the behind closed doors solutions that plagued the School Committee a few years ago. We the citizens of the town are left in the dark as to what is going on. Some seem to know more than others. Why is that? The School Committee of last year decided not to extend the Superintendent’s contract. They did so by following the DA, their legal counsel and a judge’s opinion (twice). Why do some people want to make excuses for the Superintendent’s alleged harassment of an employee? My assessment of this situation is that it should have remained a private issue except that the Superintendent made it public. If there was harassment, it is tantamount to bullying in my eyes. Some may not like it but those are that facts. Trying to skew the facts seems to be a popular pastime in this town.

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  19. Again, no story of our missing Superintendent in the Cape Cod Times? Is this not important to the parents, teachers, administrators and other elected officials of this town? I guess this is not a newsworthy story. Not as much as a night before an election press conference to get a sensational headline so as to have an effect on the election.

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  20. Was that supposed to be an apology from the Superintendent tonight? As usual she took no responsibility for give out personal information. Not taking responsibility for things that go wrong is something that she has been very consistent about during her tenure. It is always someone else’s fault. She apologized on behalf of the school department and the town? What did they have to do with it? She used school facilities for a press conference, and it was her lawyer who gave out the personal information. Was the statement she read approved by the current Chair and School Committee? Looks like a cover up folks.

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  21. John Marcus Agostavous MunicipalonisMay 26, 2011 at 1:07 PM

    Two things-one-If the attorney let passed out documents with social security numbers, then if it ends up costing the town money, then will Mr. Augustine suit or suite the attorney? second-Why is it that Bud Dunham has to get involved with helping to straighten out this mess. Does he not have enough on his plate to help these school people who don't care that much for him.

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  22. Carl Johansen would state that since the Human Resource for the town falls under Buds jurictictions and the original complaint was filed with the Human Resource department, at least to my understanding.

    Bud was doing the right thing in attempting to find space for the super to work from , since she was banned by the previous majority school board.

    It is hard for some to understand that we are one town, most of the time, especially when things get all confrontational.

    Unfortunitly I was unable to see the school meeting last night, where the super spoke, but non the less are tax dollars did pay for her to be a full time employee and not a part timer.Some should have given that more thought before the banning.

    Let us hope that the remaing time will be more positive then negative , especially for every one concerned

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  23. I find it interesting that for someone who holds every town officials feet to the proverbial fire to uphold the letter of the law, the previous poster has an unyielding tendency to overlook our Superintendent’s issues, especially the harassment complaint against her by one of her employees. It is kind of like the Superintendent not taking responsibility for her actions, it’s always someone else’s fault. I make my case by asking again, why did the current School Committee Chair who was so adamant before the election about wanting all of this discussed in an open meeting, after being selected as the Chair, put all this behind closed doors? It is no secret he is a supporter of the Superintendent, as is the Vice-Chair. Where is their accountability? We as a town are still waiting to get answers to these questions

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  24. I guess once you get into a position of authority your perspective changes. Ask yourself how many times did Shaun Cahill complain about supposedly not being told about what was going on, which I don’t believe, he just need to be around more. Now he is Mr. “No Comment” whenever he is asked about what is going on within the School Department or “let’s have that in Executive Session” so that we don’t have to let the town know what is really going on. The cover up is on everybody, and we as a town are going to pay for this. Even the Cape Cod Times is not interested in it or they already got what they wanted.

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  25. A number of comment posters here are not being fair to the SC chairman relative to the executive sessions. When it comes to a personnel matter, the employee who is the subject of the matter has the choice to deliberate the issue in public or in an executive session.

    In spite of the superintendent having announced that she preferred to have that deliberation in open session, she obviously changed her mind. That is her right and there is nothing untoward about that.

    Given that decision, the SC chairman and every other member of the SC cannot, by law, discuss any of the executive session deliberations publicly until the issue is resolved. Even then, certain items, particularly in a personnel issue, may remain sealed. That is, an employee's personnel file is not open for public viewing.

    So what do you want the chairman to do? Satisfy your curiosity by breaking the law?

    Don't answer that...

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  26. Mr. Hunt, you posted that I was asking for the Chair to break the law. That is incorrect; he, as well as the Superintendent, demanded that these hearings be open prior to the election. It was in the Times, so it must be true. Right after he became the Chair, in the same meeting he became Chair, he wanted this all done in Executive Session. In my opinion, this was against everything we were all led to believe and what the Superintendent had demanded, unless he knew something the rest of us didn’t. This is the crux of my issue; he says one thing and does another. Does that not bother anyone else?

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  27. The decision whether to have the deliberation in executive session or in a public meeting on a personnel matter is with the employee, not with the chairman of the SC or anyone else. It was the superintendent's decision. I acknowledge that that decision parted with what was said prior to that meeting.

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  28. I totally agree with you Mr. Hunt regarding what Executive Session is for; although, the same courtesy of having this matter dealt with in Executive Session and not in the public was not afforded to Ms. Caulkins. My point is that even prior to the School Committee meeting, and after the election, Dr. Johnson stated publically that she wanted an open meeting. So why did Mr. Cahill call for an Executive Session after he was elected Chair at that meeting? He either took it upon himself to go against the stated wishes of Dr. Johnson at that time, or something else. I believe he should have to answer to that. He made a big deal of not being in the loop last year, and I think he should give a credible explanation as to why he went against the stated wishes of Dr. Johnson, something for which the previous School Committee Chair was heavily criticized for. He was quoted a number of times prior to the election that he and the community were not being kept in the loop by the previous Chair, and it seems since being elected to his current position Mr. Cahill has been consistent in one thing when asked these type of questions, responding with, “no comment.”

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  29. What I'm saying is that the SC chairman cannot override the employee's request to have a public hearing. He did not decide to override the superintendent's wish to have a public hearing.

    Now I've said that about four times.

    When such a hearing is held in executive session, no one, no one on the committee is allowed to discuss any of it publicly while the issue is still open.

    Now I've said that twice.

    You can be critical about the SC chairman being quiet, but his only alternative is to break Open Meeting Law. He won't be doing that, I'm sure.

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  30. Mr. Hunt, I will state again I agree with you regarding what Executive Session is used for. There is no doubt that what is, or was, discussed in Executive Session should be held in the strictest of confidence, which hasn’t always been the case. I believe we will disagree on how the May 16 Executive Session on the harassment issue became an Executive Session. That is your right and that is my right for the privilege of living in a democracy. Thank you for weighing in on this issue.

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  31. Clearly as Randy has pointed out time and again, the employee requested an executive session about this personnel issue. The law dictates that the chairman of SC abide with that.

    The public has been jerked around continuously this year by the actions of a troubled SC. The decision of that SC (prior to the May elections) to hold an executive session with three members unable to attend on such an important matter as the employee complaint against Dr. Johnson and what should be done relative to the outcome of the investigation prompted by the Town's Human Resource Department (they had no choice since the School District with it's 200 plus employees does not have a HR department) was timed because of the election. A SC member running not elected could change the majority of the SC from the gang holding Sandwich hostage this past year to something other. It was a poor decision and manipulative. But in defense of the SC who pulled that, where did they learn how to do leadership? In Sandwich where small town politics structures our government. They weren't the first to do something stupid and I dare say they won't be the last.

    The push back from Dr. Johnson and her attorney in the so called "press conference" had unfortunate consequences because of materials released that should not have been. But frankly, it was understandable for Dr. Johnson in her desperation to salvage her lively hood, to do something to continue to fight the out of control dealings prompted by poor decisions of previous SC leadership, which have destroyed her reputation. Not to mention, how do you respond when you are as hardworking as Dr. Johnson to be banned from the Schools. None of this has been handled at all well!!

    We citizens will never know the truth. There are so many rumors out there. For two years in whispered tones people have been talking about this. The town has spent a year controlled by "anonymous phone calls" and kept in the dark. We now know of a complaint filed months ago that somehow gave the SC a power to think their crusade was life or death for the district and the town. It seems like at no time did an adult behavior emerge in any of this, other then through the town's HR department, to try and solve this problem in a way that spared the innocent like the kids, and the town. It was all push and push back.

    In the end a women's hard earned reputation is in the toilet and another beloved women's name has been racked over the coals. Shame on us for allowing such poor leadership. Let's hope we are done with that!

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  32. Mr. Hunt – Could you tell me why you would not post my reply to poster 9:15. It was well within your parameters and it was based on facts.

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  33. @Anonymous: You drew a conclusion about a case that is pending.

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  34. Interestingly, you allowed posts all last year about a pending case (Dr. Johnson vs. School Committee). What pending case are you aware of that I guess the rest of us are not? You make allowances for those who would misrepresent what went on last year, but if someone brings the presented facts to the argument you block that discussion.

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  35. Good Morning Mr.Hunt apparently we will never understand the human failure to read the posted words stated in a way that all should comprehend.

    If we do not like the answers we are given to the questions, we simply continue to find another way to say the same things over and over again.

    With out question you have explained, very accuractly and full the differences when excutive session can be called in matters of personal conflicts and it can be in private or in public. That desicion is given to the agreieved party, not any elected board.

    The battle lines of discord can only continue if we all want them too, but in the end, the war is over, at least for now. We may well have a few small battles to implore, before it is over, but the time has come to move on and upwards towards healing.

    I supported Dr. Johnson' attempt to bring many needed changes to the Sandwich School District, but many others did not. Our differences can no longer matter, as history will show each side who may have chosen the correct path.

    For some apparently we must continue to harp on the past and we cannot change what has transpired, but we surely can help to build for the future and that is what we all should be striving to do.

    Give the system a chance to work, we all may get a nice surprise.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  36. What was said by the anonymous poster in many ways is correct when it asks what cases are pending and what are they. It seems to me that the system and free speach are much the problem. I did not hear any whispered rumors, but I did read some. Over and over again, I heard from people such is Mr. Johansen who wrote of the illegal things being done by the former majority. This was while a suit was pending that could cause the Town quite a few buckeroos. Mr. Johansen. I would like to know how the anonymous writer of 9:15 knows that Dr. Johnson is hard working. Is he or she a favored teacher of Dr. Johnson? Does the person see it as I have. She was in a local hot spot talking with a person running on a campaign to be open and unbiased who was running for an office in Town.

    I for one, am quite happy with most of the leadership in this Town.

    The system for the school committee works against the people. Anything that happens at school that would in any way defame the schools is never talked about. Children are hazed, durgs are a concern, personal issues not discussed. This may be, hopefully it is, because of laws that protect privacy. The only people that know are those that befriend the politicians in Town, they say something to someone who passes it on.

    When we read something on this or any blog from someone who claims to know, we should question as only a few of us do.

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  37. Re: Mr. Johansen

    I can understand that Bud may have become involved because the HR is under his perview. I am not stupid. But, when it happens in the organization for whom I work, then HR calls whomever is responsible for the person involved and tells them to find the space. Also, we pay the HR director more than we should and we also give her an assistant who is also overpaid to do this sort of thing. Yes, Bud should be aware, but he should not be using very much time at all on this.

    Mr. Johansen, as for your second paragraph, you mention that if WE do not like the answer to a question then we continue to find a way to say the same thing. That is much like you when you say something wrong or you get a rebuttal to something you posted and answer maybe one of the items, minor at best, and fail to address the good points, major points brought up. Believe me I am ignorant and I am not as bright as you, but I care more for the way we operate in this nation than you-in my opinion. Please don't give us the philisophical baloney with the third person stuff.

    Lastly, although you might think it is off subject (it really is not because it addresses your prejudices and hypocracy), when you questioned the DNR boat, I thought to myself, you spout off about how small an issue the $16,000 luncheon was, but you make a big deal about this boat. A good thing the folks in Sandwich did the right thing.

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  38. The question is still open, what case is still pending? As taxpayers don’t we have a right to know? It seems that something is going on and yet it is clouded in secrecy. It seems all we have to go on is rumor and innuendo. The poster at 7:53 AM is now singing a different tune. Seems to me last year 7:53 AM posted comments that could be characterized as negative and misleading meant to discredit certain members of the School Committee, Chamber of Commerce, etc., and it went on all year long. Once the perceived events started going 7:53 AM’s way, it’s like let’s all get along. 7:53 AM also has an issue with people asking questions. Should we ask questions? Yes. Should we always get answers? Maybe not, but we should be getting more than we are getting from our town leaders and those that are in leadership positions.

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  39. Poster of 6:22; Very well stated. Hypocracy at its best.

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  40. @Greg: Good post, but I can't publish it with the two sentences about an employee who is not a public figure. Resend without that if you like. If you don't have a copy of your lengthy post, email me and I'll send it to you so you don't have to recreate it.

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  41. Mr. J, I am giving the system a chance, but so far I see that what is good for the current SC chairman was not good for the past chariman, The posters above are correct when the talk about hypocracy. It not only lies with the government but also with those who profess to know what is good, courages and American.

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  42. Anon 1:21 pm, I really like what you said. People get completely caught up in the hypocrisy and I often think it is just because they don't really pay attention to what they are saying or doing. I don't think people are careful enough. You are right, it doesn't just pertain to government. I love your words, good, courageous and American. That is the image of American values I like to think about. The sense of duty I have know since I as a kid comes from that. Thank you for naming it. And it comes in actions not in speeches. The best, most courageous and good Americans I have known did not need the soap box to do the right thing for their neighbors, their community and their country. Thank you again.

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  43. Mr. Hunt could you explain to me why I can’t get an answer from you regarding a pending case that I am guessing we all should know about, and then you give advice to another poster, even suggesting if he doesn’t have the post you will send him back the original so he doesn’t have to recreate it?

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  44. @Anonymous 6/1/11 4:59pm:

    As confusing as it may seem, it is really not a conspiracy here.

    1) A reader posted a comment three times a few days ago (same comment each time) which drew a conclusion of guilt with respect to one of the parties who are involved in the harassment issue. I will not post such remarks.

    2) Greg posted a comment which I considered quite thoughtful, but he commented about a non-public person in a way that I thought was inappropriate. Since his comment was lengthy, I offered to email it back to him so that he could edit it rather than start from scratch.

    FYI: I never edit anyone's comments. They either get posted or rejected, but never modified.

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  45. Carl Johansen would state to Top Hat, One does not need to declare they are ignorant, nor should they. As far as being bright,only light bulbs can make that claim.


    Since, the host of this blog has allowed the topic of discusion to be hijacked . I will answer the question in regards to the present topic which is about school matters.

    In regards to the $16000 spent for a motivational speaker by the old school committee and super. She would not have been allowed to spend that money unless the school committee gave her the opportunity to do so.



    Having spent many years in the corporate world of security protection with banking eguipment it was a yearly event that the company would spend a day with each branch in bringing together all of the staff. The company hired an motivational company to help assist every one understand the weakness and strengths of each individual. It was the company's money just like the $16,000 was tax payers money that was used to improve the overall quality of each employee. A small price to pay for a better educational system if is applied.

    Every one learned more about how to be a better employee and a more productive person. These are all qualities every person strives to accomplish , at least in the world I was brought up under.

    Now as to the NR motor replacement for $115,000 dollars. Again this is tax payers money being used to replace a motor on a boat that does not need to be replaced. Even if a motor was needed , A completly recondition motor could be purchased for less then $30, 000, that would provide the same service at a far less cost.

    Given that the present Natural Resource do not have any identifing markings on any of there vehicles, other then one with open doors in the woods of Oakcrest Cove. This would have provided some capitol to in fact identify these vehicles, that remain as the only department that does not have the Sandwich Logo on it and who operates them. It would also provide money to secure the trailer the boat sits on from being removed by outside bandits. I understand it is only tax payers money, but is money we all have contributed towards and it is not being cared for by the department under its care.

    Also to justify putting on a 115 hp motor on a boat that the speed limit where it used is listed at 35 mph is rather `going a little overboard. Play on words

    Especially when this same boat found itself on the bottom of Peters Pond on two occasions and needed to be rescued by the Sandwich Fire Department along with cleaning up the gas that was allowed to sit in the bottom of the boat, that contaminated the water.

    I realize that some do not like to hear the truth and as my friend Bill Cosby stated in his monolgues, we sometimes need to find where we lose our brain cells to understand the damaged cells. Maybe I am one of those brain damaged people that simply needs to see if any others step up to enlighten the uninformed and those who do not care.

    How about you? The town could use a few that are not afraid to put them selves out. Come on in, the fire is only hot for a little while. We could formulate a town wide concerned citizen group that speaks to all of the issues, facing our community here in Sandwich. No politics,no party affilations. Just the bare and simply truth of the matters.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  46. Anon at 4:59 pm. This is my second attempt to publish my thoughts on the ongoing school committee issues that plague this town. My first edition did exactly what Randy tells us NOT to do, so I removed the offending remarks. Considering that it took me an hour to type so many words because I am longworded, he saved me a lot of hard work, simply by forwarding me back my email. My original thoughts are as follows: "Well, I have intentionally been quiet on Randy's blog because I felt like the proverbial guy in a rowboat, without a paddle, on Scorton Creek with an outgoing tide...and NO it isn't the DNR rowboat that has been mentioned. There appears to be a new group here, small but persistent, that seeks an answer to the 'great conspiracy' that has occurred/is occurring/will occur now that there is a new sheriff in the School Committee (pun intended for poor Shaun Cahill). This small segment of people who continue to howl for an answer appear to want it NOW! Forget due process, forget privacy laws, they want the answer period. I must say that there is a large component in todays society that has grown up with a remote control in hand, a cell phone attached to one ear while the other gets the I pad which is obviously NOT playing Cat Stevens tunes. The obvious obsession with obtaining the answer gathers more steam as other blog writers try to express the facts as they see them. How will we as a town ever recover from the past year when people cannot listen to each other without the destructive innuendo that prevails with the so called 'conspiracy theorists'? The only thing to match this burning fire in Sandwich is President Obama's birth certificate! Carl has tried several times to say something important regarding this. In my own words it reads this way. You lost the majority in the election.. You no longer CONTROL the SC. This new ship will take on its own course now. The keel will maintain a balance with the new members recently elected if allowed to function. The only component missing here is a fresh brisk wind to move this ship along in a direction that is dedicated to the children. To all the Anon's that continue to shoot at Carl or even myself, at what point does the value of education to the children become more important than the conspiracy theory that you all seem so willing to sign on to. Time to whistle along with Cat Stevens 'Now I've been happy lately, thinking about the good things to come And I believe it could be, something good has begun' Why not give this new group a chance? Perhaps putting the remote control down will allow the discussion to begin." Anon, no conspiracy here, just an aging typist with arthritis who finds it really hard to type what my mouth so easily can say aloud! Randy thank you for your assistance.

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  47. Mr. Hunt – thank you for the explanation, but my post in no way assigned blame, it only pointed out in my opinion, individuals taking responsibility for their actions. I am a firm believer in that philosophy. It also pointed out the fact that one individual has been harmed at the expense of another who chose to take a very public position to prove her point. Is that fair? Where is the outrage in that? By my account, there were four attempts by the previous School Committee to address this situation; Ms. Linehan read a timeline of the attempts to schedule these meetings. Some on the committee chose to act; others to only react or they did not want to be a part of these meetings, something they were elected to do, to participate. Let me be fair about this, your point on Executive Session was helpful and informative, but where was this same explanation last year? Seems to me that when there were other very serious issues going on affecting the school district and Executive Session was presumably required, I don’t believe you were as adamant about defending the use of Executive Session then. To me it is no secret you were less than enamored with the School Committee last year. One just has to look at the beginning of this thread to get that opinion.

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  48. As a parent of a child in this school district I am offended by Greg’s post. This isn’t about who wins or who loses; isn’t it supposed to be about the kids? I have a lot at stake with what goes on in this district and I am concerned with last year, this year and future years. It seems last year he took a different approach. I don’t readily remember him giving the two new members on the school committee the same latitude and support as he is so willing to do now. If memory serves me right, the current Vice Chair accused the two new members last year of talking about something I believe was just a part of this blog, asking people to vote on who should be the next Chairman of the School Committee. Could someone refresh my memory, did Greg come to the defense of these two new members asking us to give them a chance?

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  49. Anon at 8:14. It appears the chips on some shoulders are very large at this point. I believe that the new school committee has some independent thinkers who may be just what the doctor ordered to fix what kept last years version locked in a nonproductive spiral. So lets look at that new wind that's starting to blow. We have a NEW superintendant who carries no baggage with him. The past year can't help this man improve the education of the towns children but maybe his vision can, afterall, he didn't have a horse in the race. You cannot discharge the effect that two new school committee members can provide to the future, if you can't remove the weight of the chip on your shoulder. I stopped writing to the blog for awhile because I personally felt my arguments were beginning to sour, it was like a poor tennis match locked into a contest that can never be won. The election provided us all with a chance to take the hugh step in saving the towns schools. The major detractors of the past year are history, history that I know we are not doomed to repeat, not if we ALL really care about the education of the children. At some point, we have to extend our hand and hope for peace of mind. Anon at 8:14 I am not sure why you are offended by what I said when we share the same goal, the education of your child! There has to be a way to move the peace train forward....and it has to be with consensus on what our primary goal should be.

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  50. What happened to the School Committee meeting last night? The last meeting’s agenda stated it was scheduled for June 1st.

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  51. Greg,

    Yes there are quite a few chips, large ones, that seem to be a detriment to our town. Its time for those angry folks who want to STOP rather than resolve things. Its time to remember that the hypocracy of some just brings on devisiveness among the population. Instead of bearing these chips for the good of mankind, they should try to run for office and see how difficult it is to serve 23,000 masters.

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  52. Mr. Chip, AMEN...well said.

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  53. Good point Mr. Chip. You are right on when describing the hypocrisy, and the divisiveness that has been going on. To get beyond all this we as a community need to know what is going on, and I am sorry to say I don’t see that happening.

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  54. Thanks for the response to my suggestion that it is hypocritacal to call the spending of money for the boat engine not necessary and the spending of money for the motivational speaker a good thing.

    I agree that motivational speakers can be good for a group, but why pay someone $6,000 plus expenses. Is there not a good motivational speaker here in Massachusetts.

    The point is that the "Townside Leaders" met many times to discuss capital items. They are paid to make such decisions. I have heard you speak as to how the Superitendent is the professional and that the old majority should let the professionals make the decisions. Keep your thread straight or you look very much like a hypocrate the same way as you do when you tell us that the boys died to allow us to vote when they also died for us to not vote also. It is mandatory in many Western nations to vote.

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  55. Randy - This is a correction to the post I just sent. Could you please indulge me and use this one instead as long as find it acceptable. Thank you.


    In response to Greg, I believe we agree our new Superintendent will be coming in with no baggage, someone who initially received unanimous support from the previous School Committee; someone who is coming here due in large part to four individuals with courage and conviction. Our current Superintendent has been at the center of many controversies in her over three year tenure in this district. Please don’t believe me, just go back and do a little research. On the election, we all got an education on how group agendas, misinformation and the misrepresentation of facts can distort issues and situations. These blogs and newspapers did just that. I can guarantee you that there were other individuals that were willing to step up, but after seeing the attacking nature and mischaracterizations one would be exposed to, the response I heard most often was, “there is no way am I putting my family through something like that.” To me, this was a calculated attempt to inhibit those who really care and it was used by certain groups to support an agenda to go back to the way it was a couple of years ago - being kept in the dark as to what is going on in the district, only certain people knowing what is going on and last minute votes on items that will have an impact on our kids, the parents and the taxpayers. To me it is not about winning or losing or calling people names, that solves nothing; it’s about respect and responsibility.

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  56. Anon at 11:52 I believe your main point is for transparency. That word appears to be a favorite during campaigns. I could not agree with you more that we, the taxpayers, to include the parents of children, have a right to know how are children are being educated. I also believe that these two groups (Parents and taxpayers without children) have a responsibility to be involved and that doesn't always mean one must run for office. Any discussion of an issue, to include on this blog, is a good thing. One might not agree with comments made but at least there is a dialog. In the end, my arguments over the last three years are a moot point. It doesn't matter any more because we have a new boat to row here in town. We should try to avoid every obstacle that stopped the progress of the previous board. We should hold our elected officials responsible for their decisions and this is done during elections. There are times that we all wish the election cycle was shorter, for sure. So if you are asking for transparency and openess from these newly constituted boards/elected officals/hired superintendant...then I am with you. If you are one of the conspriacy theorists who just simply refuse to join the 'Pay as you Throw' effort for the confusing reparte of the past three years...then our boat will remain in irons. We have to move on. There is another generation of children who just boarded our once proud and capable school system. They need us to get rid of our chips.

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  57. Anon 11:52 You make excellent points. I too know people who will not get involved in politics in this town because of the general nasty nature partisan influences has had on local politics and now the added stress blogs give to the process. Interesting that there is much research going on about the effect local blogs have on towns. Being a public person at a state or even national level is one thing, but opening up a person who gets no pay to the same level of anonymous backlash seems another. However I suppose it could be said that if the skin is thick enough for this, that's a good attribute for small town politics. I know this trash talking sort of mentality keeps some people out, but it is a sign of the times, so really you have to learn to rise above it. It is not civil, fair, and when anonymous it is cowardly so I suppose one lesson is...consider the source.

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  58. Burying our hatchets would be a good thing Greg, I agree. The real humanistic problem that remains however and can't be avoided is trust issues. Trust is earned and once lost, it takes time and constructive relationships to earn it back. Dialog is clearly part of that, but frankly I would wonder if there is a great deal of evidence that less then civil discourse has good results in building trust. Actions build trust. When people see their leaders make good decisions through sensible dialog and consensus and good information coming out to the public, I think that builds trust. It is up to the governmental body to keep that trust through continued good performance. You can't make people trust you. Assumptions often get in the way too. Push and push back politics really doesn't seem to be working any longer for the long term.

    We have a great deal to accomplish as we go forward with our schools. There has been damage done and the new Super. will have to a lot of ground to make up if we are to keep Sandwich Schools from further deterioration which is sending students away and costing us tax dollars to educate our students in charter schools and other districts. So it is a bit a slippery slope at this point. A good first step is burying hatchets but restoring trust will take on a life of it's own.

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  59. Anon at 11:34 your thoughts are excellent and are probably being echoed in many homes throughout the town. Just as the decency of politics on the national level appears to be continuously under attack, the past year in our little town has left me with the 'Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me' feeling when it comes to local politics. It will be a while before I can trust the decision making process of our school committee because of past influences from non-elected sources. That is the biggest hatchet I want to bury. I want to believe that the future of our once great educational system in Sandwich is healthy again. I want to trust the numbers, I want to trust the people we have elected and I want to be able to support them unconditionally...as it was years ago when my children attended school here. My support is founded on trust....as I believe yours is too. Here's hoping that the positive words that are starting to appear in conversations and yes even the blogs are the beginning we need. Thanks for your insight. I had not yet addressed the trust issue in my own view....I am still working on those large chips.

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  60. I agree that we must move forward, but from the tenor and tone of the last poster at 11:22 you can see the problem. Yes, let’s move forward now, but they still lay blame with those they disagree or who were voted out of office. Greg, I am all for working what is best for the kids, the parents and the taxpayers. I am not sure what you mean by conspiracy theories and chips. If I disagree with you does that mean I have them? There was a concerted effort last year to mislead and misinform what was going on in the district. If don’t believe it, that is your opinion. Please don’t label me because I have a difference of opinion. Isn’t that how we got here in the first place?

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  61. I can not bury th hatchet until a few things are resolved.

    1) Will those who talked of illegalities of the former SC chairman apologize for what they said about her and her actions.

    2) Will the person who suggested there was something shady about what one member of the SC did in taking a job in Sandwich and going on to another town where she had last worked, apologize for making statements without getting the facts?

    3) Will the person who suggested that those of us who voted for one person were somehow less than American and that those who fought for the right to vote please state that we are American and Patriots and that those who fought for all of us fought for us to be able to choose and say what we want when we want without recourse as long as it is legal.

    5) Will the poster who always told us about how wrong our Town Counsel, School Counsel, DA, and AG were in the illegal vote to suspend a meeting without posting it, apologize.

    6) Will the poster who always posted that Dr. Johnson's non-extension of her contract "for no reason" admit that there were plenty. Those parents who did not want their names out in Pubic have just as much right to do so as the parent who kid was afraid to look at an old person naked have to remain anonymous. To not support the idea for the former but to support it for the latter would be tha actions of a hypocrate.

    I, for one, will quit on this subject, but I will not bury the hatchet until the "great" citizens of Sandwich get these apologies. I also am also going to give the chairman of the school committe a chance. I also will give all of my support to the new Superintendent. It is time to move on, and I will, but I will remember what has transpired forever.

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  62. How can anyone forget 1:11Am, all the horrible and stupid political, personal, community, and media events of last year in Sandwich. I just hope we can recover. One thing I've discovered over the years (and sadly it took way too many years) was not to expect or even need apologies from folks who treated me like garbage, or lied about me or started trouble, or did something wrong. It is so rare when people apologize for their mistakes. Years ago a Texan told me to quit saying I was sorry. He said it was a sign of weakness. I wrestled with that for years. I've come to the conclusion he was wrong. Growth only comes when we realize our mistakes and strength comes from admitting them, or at least internalizing them and trying to make amends.

    I hope Sandwich can forget and forgive, but it will be tough for some and impossible for others. Regardless, giving the new leaders a chance is a good place to start. Good for you! Perception is reality and we can change the reality for our community if we are all at least willing to try.

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  63. Too Too Tootsie..........goodbye....Too Too Tootsie don't cry! I used to love that song because a clarinet could really make ya sing along! However, Tootsie, you will be my greatest challenge this month I can see. Apologize? If you have followed this blog, you would know that there is no other scriber, other than myself, who would demand an apology for the way our past superintendant's professional career has been destroyed. I could spend hours typing with these pained knuckles trying to convince you of just how much harm has been done on both sides. Your request for apologies in defense of those you sincerely care about, just won't happen. We will NEVER resolve the conflicts that we have shared on both sides of history here in Sandwich. It would appear that you are looking for a pound a flesh, forgiveness and a free swimming pool pass. Reality says that WE ALL have to move on or continue to employ the destructive emotions of the past. I would suggest to you that it may be more healthy for all of us to put those heated moments aside. This new School Committee working openly with an obviously qualified new Superintendant deserves this chance. They should not be responsible for apologizing for your angst. In the game of chess they have a 'draw' for players who find themselves in an unwinnable endgame. Thats exactly where the town of Sandwich is. Both sides have game pieces of great personal value sitting on the side of the table...unplayable. We need to reset the game clock and begin again and unless I have misjudged our new SC members, Chair and Superintendant, I believe they will absolutely refuse to dwell in the history of the past in order to guarantee a greater future for the children. And....I was not mocking your name...I really loved that song Tootsie.

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  64. The poster at 12:26 is a prime example of why these issues will never get resolved unless you are willing to really look at the issues at hand. To continually portray the current Superintendent as a person whose reputation was destroyed by others is to put blinders on to the facts. There have been many other issues over her tenure, that have been stated before and there is no need to re-hash them. I find it amazing that with all that was done to insure that the course of events and decisions were done through the proper, legal channels, some will still argue it was wrong. One main issue is that a Superintendent went against her contract and sued the School Committee. Some like to bring up how things are done in the corporate world. I work in the corporate world; this behavior would not be tolerated. You violate the condition of your employment, you’re let go. No excuses. The only place this happens is when you have people who are so willing to overlook someone’s issues that they will even distort the facts to make it seem like others were responsible for all the things that went wrong.

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  65. Good morning Greg.

    It would seem that the poster on 929 feels that every one should address the facts when it comes to the Superindendant. Many have tried to comprehend the reason those that decided to take the actions they did and why. Those answers were never forthcomming, even though that question had been asked and reasked, by many here and elswhere.
    I have searched out many reasons, why in some cases it was more about personal reasons then academics.

    The long time good old boy network, was finally brought to light and the educational system that was feeling the negative affects from these conflictions was now front and center for every one to see.

    With out question a better approach might have brought different results,but that is now in the past.

    If some one can show me that the when all is said and done that the preponderance of the issues show that the superintendant was directly at fault I will be the first to apologise, but till then, each will have there own opinions.

    The final legal issues may never be resolved to every ones likings.

    The final chapter still remains for further discussion, good or bad. Perhaps we will never find all the answers, perhaps we will.

    It make no difference now , because now we are now beginning a new chapter, with new ideas, new people,new goals. Many challenges ahead for the school district to address. Among some, will be how to stem the children from leaving the Sandwich district,what to do with a run down school building and is it worth the cost of repair? How to reduce the power of the union over the way curriculm is presented to the children. How to correct an inherit problem with the pool use by adults during the school day. How to assure that the Community School does in fact, rely upon its own profits to operate its programs. These are just a sampling of issies that will reguire a team effort to resolve and mediate.

    It is time to move on and upwards, after all progress is our most important product, when it comes to educating the children of our district, what say yee?

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  66. Well said Greg. Here Here.

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  67. The poster at 8:04 is at least consistently inconsistent. Yes we will all move forward, but some just don’t want to believe the facts. For someone who uses MGL so much to try and make a point, it is interesting that when a group of individuals did follow their legal advice, the DA, the judge (twice) it was still wrong. I’ve seen many qualified and competent administrators leave this district, why? I’ve seen a Superintendent become a lightning rod of controversy during her entire tenure, in my opinion not in a good way, and it will probably carry on even after the end of this school year. She sued against her contract, she allowed personal information to be given out, and she been involved with a serious issue with one of her current employees; should I go on? I have kids in the district, my friends have kids in the district, and we all know what it means when someone uses the phrase “for the kids”. We all want our kids to get the best education they can get; I am not playing politics or grandstanding as I believe some on this blog and in this community try to do. You want to move forward because you think you won a victory in trying to discredit a group of people you didn’t like. The same question can be asked of you, what do you base your position on? I just gave you a list of some of my reasons, I have more, what do you have that is fact, not fiction?

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  68. Anon at 7:04 the size of your chip must be causing you to have neck pain. What is it you want....a crucifiction? How can you continue to say that 'we won' in an election that saw this womans professional career dismantled because she moved your childrens education forward! We all lost. This entire town has lost for the past year. For those of us who have seen the value of an outstanding education for our children bear fruit..you are darn right that we understand the value of what this school system can be, should be, WILL BE if given the chance. We want that excellent level of professionalism for all children. Enough of the historical violations that you truly believe must be brought to some fictional court of justice. Nothing can change the damage that has occurred except the bright new minds who have stepped forward to mend the fences. The worst thing about a conspiracy theory is that people spend their every breathing moment being engulfed by the fire.....the pound of flesh must be had... the apology must be obtained...as though these things will validate all that you have come to believe in. Well, Mom or Dad, whichever you are, if you have a child in this school system you need to hop on this new peace train that can bring back quality education. We still have outstanding teachers...we have some great programs that have been initiated.... we just need a new rudder for our ship. So Anon at 7:04 don't you think its possible that the sabre rattling has to stop? Are you so entrenched in this now meaningless reparte that you cannot, for your childrens sake, become part of the new solution? I can never forgive this past year....but I can surely move on for the common good.

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  69. Greg, Sometimes I wonder if you and Mr. Johansen are one and the same. I don't think you are because your style, first person and verbiage is quite different from his third person, however, there are times when you truly do write great blogs about current situations here in town, but this one in the one of 9:39 PM is not one of them.

    I don't feel that I have a chip on my shoulder. Quite frankly, I have moved on as did the writer of June 1st that enumerated several apologies that he or she would like before burying the hatchet. In my opinion, the hatchet should have been buried by others and I know you know who they are. They have not given an inch although they know they were wrong, that is because, in their minds there is still a possibilty that the current superintendent will be vindicated. And, the writer, in my opinion would like some bloggers to anser questions. In the blogger's opinion, it seems to me, he or she thinks that Mr. Johansen and Mr. Augustine in particular should answer all of the questions in some manner and until that is done, then all the people that sided with the superintendent will just come back again. Its kind of like North and South Korea, the hatchet was never buried but the parties when forward.

    The good and "most" concerned citizens WON because someone with all the flaws of Dr. Johnson will be gone and the "most" conerned citizens will have a Superintendent that is capable, works well with others and is not out to bring turmoil to the schools.

    Read the 6/1 post at 7:32, the last three sentences say it all. He or she will move on but hold that hatchet just in case. He or she is happy with the outcome, but not with those that said many bad things about many people, supported open meeting laws being broken, and threatened people.

    The blogger is at peace with him or herself and I am sure will move forward with schools while others will move on to another "disaster" in this town.

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  70. Sultry Sally (I really like some of the names folks come up with, Tootsie, Sultry Sally, Braless 32a to name a few...so much better than anon eh?) you have written a very complicated but interesting piece here. If you do not have a chip then hoorah. That being the case, then I am confused over where YOU stand considering your words address how others have commented. However, your second and third paragraphs hop right back into the conspiracy group as you continue to 'trash' MEJ. So who is it really that just won't give up. You refer to an earlier blogger and their opinion yet in my heart methinks it is you who might not have a chip...but carry a torch. Perhaps it is an inquisition you need to settle the grudgematch that continues to permeate this and other blogs. Just what does it take to bring peace? Without peace, from both sides, I am afraid the broken wheels cannot spin as fast as they could if they had full support of the entire town. Sultry Sally...I am not Carl...I will tell you that I wish I had ten percent of his energy and even more of his love of those things natural in the world. Carl and I are at least a generation apart...yet I respect his belief that one man can make a difference, possibly in helping others to see something in another light. It is possible that what you see in Carl and myself, or at least in our writing, is years of frustration in dealing with history that repeats itself, particularly in a negative way. You might ask yourself, considering your personal opinion of MEJ....what part of her, what attribute, which accomplishment would make a couple of guys who would really love to be out fishing or sailing...why do we feel this way about her? Now there is something for you to ponder. I just can't waste valuable time on what is our past any longer. We need to believe that we can change all of the negative banter and turn it into positive energy. And...soon. By the way, I want to thank you for comparing me to Carl.... though Carl and I have never met, never shook hands.....or even had our Dunkin cup of coffee... he is an honorable man, a man of his word.

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  71. To the poster at 9:39 – If it makes you feel better to give me a label and try to demean me, not unlike what you did last year when you pretty much did the same thing against those you disagreed with, that is your prerogative. Interestingly what you are doing is exactly what you accuse others of doing. It would be a safe bet on my part that you probably did not even speak to those who on the school committee you so adamantly disagree. Regarding the fact that I have kids in the school district is just that, a fact. You would try to use this as something more negative, like I care more for my agenda than their education. A sad commentary if that is what you truly believe. The best way to deal with what has gone on in this town is with known facts and situations then make evaluations accordingly. If I am wrong in the facts that were stated on earlier posts, please feel free to let me know. Spreading misinformation and untruths is a method I will leave to others whose agenda is not what they profess it to be, but something that in my opinion only does a disservice to this community. I am sure you remember the old saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.”

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  72. To anonymous 6:17 PM.


    Amen

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  73. Facts are always helpful. There are many gaps where the "facts" portion of last years activities and information are when it comes to what the entire public got to know. Like, who called the Town Clerk. That fact, had it been revealed could have started an entirely different chain of events, especially in consideration of the fact that an official complaint about open meeting law being broken in April 2010 by the SC was never filed. The general public was not entitled to the "facts" the caller/s gave to new school committee members last May that caused the district to be plunged into a year long agonizing event. Either way those "facts" could have made huge difference. The stress and trauma everyone involved in this debacle has experienced may well have been lessened or avoided entirely if "facts" had been shared with the public. The town no doubt could have saved money.

    Leadership is the main issue here. I would also say a misguided understanding or process had a great deal to do with it and plan old manipulation of the system, something very common to small town politicians and politics. It is something that causes the public great hardship which last year illustrates. I agree with you anon. 6:17, stick to the facts. When they are absent, the rumor mill eats them alive.

    Here is a fact, within an hour after the May 3rd SC executive session people were already in the know about what punishment had been dished out to Mary Ellen Johnson. That's a fact. that saddens me and illustrates a major problem with the dynamics of events between May 2010 and May 2011.

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  74. To the poster at 7:55, you seem to want to blame all the dysfunction last year on four individuals who in my opinion did what they believed was best for the district and the town. When you reference “facts” you seem to equate this to rumors and innuendos that were, and still, are being quoted on blogs and other sources. These rumors and innuendos are used by individuals whose agenda it is to protect a Superintendent. You request the facts? Ask those involved; you may be surprised at what you might find out. Don’t take others word for why things happened the way they did, go to the source, check all sides. If you only talk to those with a certain agenda, you will only get one-sided answers. You referenced the May 3rd Executive Session and pointed out that within hours we all knew about some sort of “punishment”. I don’t remember seeing anything about an Executive Session until that Wednesday when it was reported in the Cape Cod Times with the Superintendent discussing the fact that she had been “banned”, and yet you stated you knew what happened within hours after that Executive Session?

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  75. Good evening Greg, one can see that the wheels of time keep on churning and to also state that you and I are not the same person. I have continued to use my name here since Randy put up this blog and I have no need to change that.

    However on another site I do use another name, which is more in tuned with revealing another side that I can repond to items of untruths.


    As far as the fishing goes we went out into Buzzards bay for a little sea bass fishing and I was able to get a little brain drain from all these simple, repeatable issues that many still find a need to challenge issues that for the most part are dead in the water[to use an old saying from my Navy days]

    The weather was really busting up the skyline, like an angry voice from the clouds. We got lucky as the storm passed us by and all we got was a little refreshing water from the clouds. Those off along the shore line were really feeling the full fury of the wind ,lightening, and rain.

    Our day was a success and every one got into fish and for now, that was great for this old salt.

    I think I recieved a little more energy in an attempt to understand why peace is a hard subject matter these days. Let the healing begin folks and get a little more understanding and wisdom. We all need any help we can get.

    Greg thank you for your kind words

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  76. Mr. Johansen, I agree, hardly ever with you, but
    respect your youthful vitality and unending need to search for the truth and your ability to care and help those that can not help themselves.

    As for your posting that ended with a statemet on healing. I am afraid it will never come as long as there are suits of any nature against the town and boards in Sandwich.

    Perhaps we can move on by ignoring anything on this blog for a while that delves into old issues.

    God Bless you and all you do for this town.

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  77. Can someone sumarize what the issue is with the latest court filing concerning the 5/3 executive meeting.

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  78. Sure, at least three citizens from Sandwich, two of them former School Committee members aren’t for moving on and just want to keep having the town spend more money on court cases; so much, “for the kids” or taxpayers. Don’t call and ask one of these individuals about this, he’ll just hang up on you.

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  79. Isn't it hypocritical for someone to on one hand say that if the former school majority cost the town one penny he would sue them and then file a suit that will cost the town money.

    Another question. Is there another less costly (to the town) avenue that could have been taken.

    Why does one say they will move on and then not move on.

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  80. “Personal agenda, vindictive, using taxpayer’s money”, heard a lot about it last year from one of the individuals who is named in the suit against the school committee. Seems like the shoe is on the other foot now. Does this person really care about the “Sandwich Taxpayers”, or is this just something more personal that we the taxpayers are footing the bill for?

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  81. The poster before this last one asked a good question. Randy, Mr. J, Taylor White, anyone, is there another way to determine what should be done about the illegal 5/3 meeting if it was in fact illegal. I thought we should try to resolve issues before going to court.

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  82. To the poster at 10:07, isn’t this America where the issues regarding this meeting in fact would be considered legal until proven illegal? Not how you phrased your question. You made a conclusion based on an on-going case. I didn’t think that was allowed on this blog. This was from a previous post regarding a post that was not allowed, and I quote, “which drew a conclusion of guilt with respect to one of the parties”. When it comes to issues involving the school committee, only one of the three individuals you requested to give you an answer, in my opinion, could be counted on to give you a fair and unbiased response.

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  83. Oh you Anons at 10:59, 9:17am and 11:07am it is amazing watching you folks in the middle of your feeding frenzy. You just can't get over it.... at some point you have to make peace with the past because nothing you are doing to keep the frenzy going can help anyone. All's I am saying........... is give peace a chance.

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  84. Anonymous of 10:07June 12, 2011 at 4:04 PM

    To the poster of 10:07.

    I meant for my question to be in the hypothetical. Simply, if there is a concern from a citizen about wether or not an open meeting violation was made, do they have to go directly to court or can they somehow report such violation formaly to the AG.

    Poster of 11:07, if you have the answer could you give it to me. I asked the others because I thought they could answer the question in an unbiased manner.

    Poster of 11:07, I have not made a judgement as to if any violation was made. I actualy did not understand much of what has been happening as hard as I try. This type of government is strange to me. I am trying but I can't seem to figure it out. Every one seems to want to fight and make a battle of everything. Where I came from neighbors were friends even if they disagree. Many on this blog knock others and a borderline vicious. There is another blog I read which is down right nasty and regrettable.

    I wish some one could just explain to me what is going on. Please!

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  85. Where was all this peace and love last year Greg? Go back and look at your posts, you were singing a diffeernt tune last year.

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  86. Hypocrate WatcherJune 13, 2011 at 7:32 AM

    June 12---He will never answer your question. I think that some folks can not move forward. Wasn't Greg close to Moving Forward?

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  87. Anon at 7:45, The bell of common sense is starting to ring for you. Must you go all the way back to last year to find fuel for your fire? At this point in time what purpose does it serve. Actually, if you really rehashed my words you will notice I took a nice long break. The election freed my mind from a contest that could never be won, for either side. So, it is a more peaceful place I seek and provide my support to. These newly elected officials are moving forward. Their road is tough one to travel without our support. So lets try something new Anon at 7:45. What do you say to posting something positive during your next two blog entries, something these new elected officials can use or apply? Reach down deep and find a couple of things that bring hope to the table. My new friend Hypocrite Watcher is almost correct....I have made the decision to forgive the past, but I will never forget how ugly it was. Last year, might as well be 1950 because none of us can change that history. Are any of you proud of this past year? Believe me...the peace train has room for everyone even the non-believers. Jump on board and hum along with me......cause I really can't sing.

    "Get your bags together,
    go bring your good friends too
    Cause it's getting nearer,
    it soon will be with you"

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  88. To the poster at 4:04, I do not have the answer, other than what I read in the paper. I am sorry if I came across as harsh. Could there have been a less costly route such as possibly going to the Attorney General, I would guess that our Town Clerk would be the best resource to answer that question. I just find it disappointing that two former School Committee members and another local resident seem to think that this is good use of our taxpayer funds. One of the individuals when asked how they would feel if it shows there was no violation, stated, “It’s worth the money.” Is that because it is not their money?

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  89. Am I “proud” of last year, I should say not, but not in the way you think. I do not place blame, as others would, on the four members who took a stance last year, and because of this we will have a new Superintendent. That is what gives us all a chance at optimism, for our kids, for the District, for the town of Sandwich. This optimism will only take us so far though. Many of us want a better Sandwich and will work for a better Sandwich, no matter the politics, the misinformation, the misrepresentations or the obstacles others would place in the way. This reminds me of the quote by George Santayana "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it", and I see us heading down that path with this new School Committee. I have already seen behavior from the current Chair that harkens back to the School Committees of a few years ago where the public was not kept informed. The current Chair was part of those committees. Let us hope we don’t go back to those days.

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  90. I am proud that the town voted out those who voted to extend Mary Ellen Johnson's contract. I am proud that Sandwich now has someone in her place that will work well with the others in town including other town workers, departments, parents and teachers.

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  91. Carl Johansen would state to Gwen,I had posted a responce and some where it sits in cyberspace.
    Lost among the clouds in the sky. I would like to thank you for your blessing. I wish you also my sincere wish that you also be blessed by the man upstairs.

    It is not uncommon for every one to agree on the issues at hand, given so many points of veiw.

    Each of us have our own reasons for how they evaluate the points being made and I suppose I can say that we are not allways right, but then again we are not allways wrong.

    As it stands now Greg has been attempting to move the train forward into a new phase of leadership reform here in Sandwich. That is all about educating our children with unbiased eyes.

    The engine is moving forward, but some still want to stay in the caboose and spout words that have not bearing on the process now in place.
    We all need to get on this peace train and pray that it will acomplish the goals every one is looking for.

    Gwen, I digress from the message you posted, but again a sincere heartfelt thank you and may we all be blessed to continue our days in a mutual manner that benifits our whole town.

    That for me is every thing I have strived to do and we have no room to look back to see if it passed or failed at our objectives. It is words like yours that give me the courage to continue on.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  92. Thank you Mr. Johansen for your response. I think that we can agree that different minds think differently and its great that we live in a nation where one can speak freely.

    I agree that we should move on, however, some of us can not quite go there when those with opposite views are still working hard to destroy what remnant there is of the old majority. Specifically the suit that was filed by Mr. Guerin, Mrs. Barton and Mr. Augustine. Certainly those three have not moved on. Now, I may or may not agree with them, but I do think that we must keep this back and forth going, hopefully in a respectful way until the issue is resolved and certainly it can not be resolved with this current suit. And, as you well know, the one that is going to come and so on. Its not over 'til it over.

    Again, God Bless you for what you do for this town.

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  93. While I was surprised by the recent law suit, I think I get it. Yes, there is a step between thinking there is an open meeting law complaint and a law suit for it, but that is involved and timely. Plus, no matter if it is the DA or the AG, it seems such a complaint through those channels can be rather arbitrary. Clearly it appears to have the danger of being political and too subjective. The suit probably is cleaner. Certainly it is more timely. While it is a shame to have the potential cost of taxpayer money, until the committees and boards in town learn to be more professional and move away from the small town politics culture, this is what it looks like. Once again it is a leadership issue. Good leadership could and should avoid this type of thing. Also, I think the town has insurance for this type of expense.

    If those in town government can't seem to do the right thing and continue to think that "behind closed doors" works best, citizens will continue to press I'm afraid. The new ethics laws and open meeting laws passed at the state level two years ago made the point that transparency is key to good government and ethical process. The good old boy way of doing things may never go away but I'm afraid it will be exposed like never before.

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  94. To the poster at 10:31, there was leadership last year, and that leadership produced the hiring of Dr. Canfield. Four members stood up to the criticism and misinformation to provide this town with a chance to move forward. You obviously have chosen a different path. This lawsuit, in my opinion, is nothing more than a personal vendetta by some in this town who think nothing of spending the town’s money for their own self interests. Please keep that in mind whenever any of these three persons gets up on their soapbox to criticize others of not being fiscally responsible. I don’t believe they were concerned with it when they filed this lawsuit, it sounds like you agree with them.

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  95. Anon 1:37 Believe me I'm not at all into the soap box thing...total waste of time. My post of 10:31 was just an observation. This law suit could have been avoided with some different leadership was my only point. What the results will be of the tumultuous year or two, the new super., the integrity of the school system, all that remains to be seen. No magic bullets here as far as I can see. Too much damage has been done. There are still struggles ahead given the economy, the consistent cuts to the school budget, and the shrinking town budget. One could argue that folks trying to insist on awareness that there be professional responsibility for poor decisions is in support of fiscal responsibility. And it could be a vendetta. You could be right about that.

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  96. To Anon 3:54, again it was not the issue of leadership last year but those on the committee whose agenda it was, in my opinion, to support the current Superintendent at all costs. It wasn’t four individuals on the committee abstaining on most issues, it wasn’t four individuals on the committee not being available to work with the committee as a whole to resolve issues and it wasn’t four individuals on the committee making false accusations against other members of the School Committee. That leadership is now in the form of the current Chair and Vice Chair, this is where our concern should be.

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  97. No one ever leaves names so its hard to direct comments. To those who think that there was a lack of leadership last year, take a look at a blog by a guy named Gerry Nutter. Just Google GerryNutter'slowell. It really gets to the point about Mrs. Johnson's interview in Lowell. It speaks to "how good she is at her job".

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  98. 6:49 am. It is in general terms that I refer to leadership. I hope that it continues to improve in all areas of Sandwich government. That goes for the professional side of school and municipal too. That goes for the state and federal government as well. The process to an outcome is so critical. For example, while I agree with the concept of Pay as You Throw, I think the process that lead to it's coming into being was not as good as it could have been. So often it amounts to timing, information, out reach and public input not being brought to bear in the process. It is easy for leadership in small town politics to think that manipulation is an easier or perhaps more expedient way or to think that might makes right. It seems to me that leadership principals which included the awareness that perception is so key would be wise. Clearly my hope is that we all learn from our mistakes and don't keep repeating them.

    I opened the paper today to see homes sale prices a little lower for homes in Sandwich relative to the last time I checked. Everything we do as a community adds to the perception of who we are. All of it effects our ability to create the kind of wealth we need to maintain our community. It is a good community with very decent people. I know most everyone who lives here and clearly the people who are civically engaged care about it. Now we just have to get past the stuff that's holding us back.

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  99. Carl Johansen would state to the 11.11 poster that leadership needs to have a different voice every few years. From the top on down in many cases, making changes can be a positive thing, especially for the community. The main thing is that changes be made for good reasons and not for reasons that are conflicted.

    It is when changes are brought about for personal conflictions that we all get to see the problems that occurred here in Sandwich over the past year.

    When this happens we have no winners, just losers.

    We all take sides , right or wrong and we all get to evaluate each situation for what you have for information. Time will be the final judge, as to if in fact, some may have made a good decision or a poor one.

    We all like to feel that we have made the correct decision, but in some situations that may not be the case.

    We the citizens must have the fortitude to remain vigil, when ever leadership changes are being challenged to make sure that they are for the overall welfare of every one and not for the betterment of individuals that have conflictions.

    We all need to give time a chance to see if new leadership can bring about good changes that benifit each of us that live in our town, both from the towns side and the schools side.
    The if all goes well we all can have a rolling celebration, like the BRUIN's. That would be a good thing for all, in my opinion.


    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  100. To Anon 11:11, I do agree with most of your assessment on the topic of leadership, but I don’t believe we learned from the past. The Pay as You Throw is a good example of people in the position of authority making a decision that in my assessment most residents are not very happy with. Do we need to do something about our trash issue, most definitely; but as with the hiring of the Dr. Johnson, the public was not given ample time to have their say in this matter before it was voted in. We did not move forward with the election of the current School Committee Chair and Vice Chair. They were vocal last year with, “What’s the plan?” Well, what is their plan? All I’ve seen is more Executive Sessions, and “No comment” from the current Chair, whose biggest complaint last year was supposedly not being kept informed. Is this what you call leadership?

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  101. 11:11. I am in agreement. Its sad to see that I can not live the life of my grandfather's generation, one with much leadership at the big war.

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  102. “Conflicted” seems to be the popular word now. Some would know that word better than others. Interestingly there have been post by individuals who object to those that don’t follow the rules; yet when a group of School Committee members do follow the rules, they get criticized and ridiculed by these same posters for doing what was best for the kids, the district and the taxpayers. Consistency and credibility come to mind. You need to think why do these posters who support making every individual, department and group in this town accountable for following all the rules and the laws (which I would support) not support the four members of the School Committee who did follow all the rules and the laws? Last year three members of the School Committee, in my opinion, were more interested in trying to make things difficult and embarrass four other members of the School Committee; they succeeded. This group was able to twist reality and fool the voters so a very dedicated and honest member was voted out of office. It didn’t matter if the reputation of the district or the town was dragged through the mud. That is not leadership; two of those members are now the Chair and the Vice-Chair of the School Committee. Some say wait and give them a chance, but do we have that luxury? They both have been in office more than a couple of years and they have shown us what is more important to them.

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  103. Ah 9:05, you are truly eloquent and unconflicted. You are on the money. We are almost two months into the new Reich and I ask "where is the plan". I hope Shaun and Andrea have one, they have been talking about having one. In fact, they wanted the plan the week after the 2010 election. Truly now, "where is the plan".

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  104. How sad to refer to your neighbors not matter if you agree or disagree with them as part of a "Reich". That is over the top. I'm surprised Randy allows it.

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  105. Anon at 1106 thank you for your observation on Anon at 7:52. For awhile, even though I disagree with Anon at 9:05 and 7:52, I find it impossible to converse with them any more because they have an inability to move on. Randy has some very liberal guidelines for us all to follow, but I, like you find reference to a WWII evil empire an attempt to raise the stakes in their endless game of poker. Lately, I am finding working on the old catboat, almost ready to splash, a most positive way to move on in our towns latest chapter of history. Perhaps Anon at 7:52 has been watching too much of the New Jersey housewifes in stead of perhaps reading 'Mending Wall' by Frost.

    " Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
    What I was walling in or walling out,
    And to whom I was like to give offence.
    Something there is that doesn't love a wall"

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  106. To the poster at 1:57, I too would agree that the word that was used by the poster at 7:52 was inappropriate. You associated my post at 9:05 with that post at 7:52 which is unfortunate, but not unexpected. You say move on, but this is the same tactic you have used in the past when you disagree with someone to try and discredit them, so who has not moved on?

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  107. Discrediting someone has little to do with not "moving on" it is a highly overused negative way to communicate. It is a way for folks to think they still have the upper hand. Obviously it is a way to continue to poke at someone. Don't take the bait. Debate only leads somewhere if there is respectful awareness that it may resolve differences and not just ratchet things up. Choosing sides is only a part of the tension if debaters really want to resolve differences. That's where you start. But where do you end? Some people have to always consider themselves right. Continuing to fight gives some the feeling that they are still doing something constructive. You can always agree to disagree. Ratcheting things up with name calling, insults, dismissing, all work to keep the fight going and that is their intent it seems to me. Though it is old as the hills, frankly I do think we have to evolve if we are to save ourselves, our town, our state, and our country.

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  108. Carl Johansen would state to poster 5:57 that debating disagreements can be very helpful in also understanding how to compromise your personal feelings. When we speak to what are facts and what are not, we need to also understand which facts can be verified and what can not. That means both sides of the equation show verifiable language that can come close to justifing our stand on an issue under discusion. Debate is the art of compromising a point to a place where both find some peace with the answer. Unfortunitly many feel that calling names is the way to acomplish a point of view and as you have indicated, does not bode well for solving the issue being discussed.

    I have chosen to use the word conflicted in many situations as for me those who had issues also had proven conflictions as to why they chose the course of action they did. It is difficult to not see these conflictions over time, but perhaps as I have also stated I am not always right, nor am I always wrong, some where in the middle lies the truth to all issues. We the public that do not have all of the facts can only compromise our own points of veiws as we interperate what is presented to us.

    Until the individuals whom were shown to have conflictions speak to those conflictions in a public manner non of us will really have a true picture as to why. We can sit and debate it all day and night, but in the end nothing will change, that is until more clearity is brought to the table.


    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  109. Randy could you start another thread, since there are other town issues that should be discussed seperate from the SC?

    At any rate, I agree that the PAYT processed was Extremely Flawed! The board knew that residents wouldn't go for it, just like Mashpee. So they shoveled it down our throats. By the by Gibbs Rubbish is being flooded w trash pick-up calls!

    Let the SC meet at least a few times before commendenation starts. A wise new hire, always observes before jumping to make changes!

    I watched the beginning of last weeks BOS meeting and was appalled with how the selectment referred to the Snake Pond aka Forestadale area. References like, I've been out there or I got a chance to go out there, just shows the population of Sandwich how out of touch the selectman are with all residents. If they have to point out how proud they are to go to another part of town, then they are only representing their portion of town! As far as the ticketing goes at Snake Pond, take down the blasted split rail fence, so people can park at the beach and the police can easily view and ticket those that are there without the appropriate sticker! That's how it was from the 60's throught the early part of the 2000's! Putting that parking lot in limited the number of folks that could enjoy the Snake Pond Beach. The town put up a fence to keep people out and are now unhappy because their decision backfired. Take the fence down and little the people back onto Snake Pond Beach and out of the local neighborhoods. Simple solution with no more fees! By the by the concern of a resident of Deer Hollow is just as important as a Country Farm resident, and shouldn't of been belittled by Mr. Kennan.

    Tired of poor town/BOS decisions!! Complaints were filed with the AG Office and the state Ethics Board regarding PAYT. Unfortunately neither venue gets involved in Municipal issues. The BOS knew this re PAYT so they made the decision without a vote by the citizens of Sandwich!

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  110. Thanks for hijacking the thread. It's time to move on...to anoher thread.

    Pay as you go was thrown down our throats and believe me, they will all pay for it at the ballot box. This decision like most major ones are done in weeks not months as they should be. All the meetings are close together when the public can speak and guess what, someone misses it and away it goes.

    Forestdale, unfortunately is the step-child of Sandwich. It is a beautiful place and contributes much to the town in its resources especially its people.

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  111. Yikes, from anonymous 9:31, sorry for my multiple typos!

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  112. Carl Johansen would state to 1:19 that the discussion around PAY as you Throw has been going on for close to two years.
    Some folks were paying attention while others were not.
    No matter how one may feel in regards to not recycling, this process will be good for the towns overall health in sustaining itself into the future. Once again making threats or describing how the Selectmen will pay at the polls is a whole lot of nonsence in my opinion.

    Had you been following the whole course of events from the very start, you may have been better informed. That is not the fault of the Selectmen, now is it? Many hours of discussion around this topic took place at many meetings and was well publisized in print as well.

    I would recommend you take the time to do a little research on the subject matter. Simply pull up all of the meetings which are posted on the towns webb site and you will find the discussions posted in the approved minutes, to see how many times this topic was discussed. I realize it may take a little time, but in the end you just may get a different outlook, that counter acts your present stand.


    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  113. Interesting post from 3:39, maybe that person could re-read what was posted and substitute the “Pay as you Throw”, subject matter with “the persons he had issues with on the School Committee last year”. One bit of caution, if you look at it with a closed mind your opinion won’t change. I am guessing the only people that are “conflicted” are those that don’t agree with this person.

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  114. 3:39 I thought that some people were being somewhat hard on you, but now I see where they are coming form.

    I am quite offended by you pompous condescending tone. You, my friend, should re-read my post. I did say that the decision was rammed down our throats, and it was. Although it was started two years ago, the attempts to reach the public started in earnest only a few months before the vote at town meeting. Once that vote was taken and they got an enterprise fund, the writing was on the wall.

    Now, why are you pompous, because you assume (Ass U and ME) that I do not watch the selectmen meetings. What I got was not clear to me. I wrote several emails, and save one selectmen, there were no repsonses. I called town hall and never got a call back. So much for openess.

    You see, I already recycle and a result go to the dump but once a month at least and twice at most.

    Now I understand. I did not have to do the research because I lived in Wayland where it works very well. I am happy with it, I just don't understand why it was rammed and not properly marketed...maybe they were afraid that the system would not go through.

    As an aside, Wayland is my second home. Sandwich is the first and most important to me.

    Thanks for your anticipated reply trying to make me look like the bad one. Its what you usually do.

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  115. @Anonymous 6/21 9:31am: As you can see from the many posts I've put up since this one, I've been able to move on. There's already a post about Pay-As-You-Throw, so no need to start a thread about that.

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  116. Ok we're stuck w PAYT, unless we vote in a BOS that will reverse the decision. Mr. Hunt I apologize I realize PAYT has been spoken about numerous times, I was just referring to maybe a new thread for new town issues, sorry.

    Mr. Johansen many folks had heard about PAYT, maybe even saw some of the BOS meetings. However the vast majority in town don't attend BOS or town meetings, don't or can't watch them on cable (a lot of people have satellite, so they can't even watch them on TV)and could care less about reading the Enterprise. Never mind having the time to read BOS meeting transcripts. Which is why they were waiting for a VOTE! This was not a democratic process. Some would say we voted in the BOS, but we all know the numbers for that. However when there is a real issue, such as PAYT, people come out in droves. The BOS knew this as well as knowing the AG and ethics board would not investigate the process, and a town vote failed in Mashpee. So THEY decided for PAYT. Ironcially they only heard from one PAYT vendor and that is the one they chose.

    So what about taking down the split rail fence at Snake Pond to allow for more parking?

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  117. 9:19 AM I think the idea of taking down the split fence has merit! Makes sense.

    PAYT will work or it won't work, that's the only saving grace. We have to see that there is some savings to the cost of running the transfer station as far as I'm concerned or let's get real about the $700,000 operational cost not covered by sticker fees. If PAYT is to save money through increased recycling, the objective is that we'll have some or all of the $700,000 tax dollars to use on other line items. This is what people have to watch. There was a lot of "non-speak" when it came to reasons, explanations, at the BOS. First we have the vendor (who ultimately was selected) giving a sales presentation at the BOS by way of introducing the concept to the BOS and the public. Followed up by the task force who was suppose to look at all options coming back and saying the best option was PAYT. There were several discussions at BOS meetings about the enterprise fund. The proposed plan came from DPW, followed by Town Meeting and the plan for implementation. From the beginning the BOS was clear that a Town Meeting vote on implementation was not needed. Public out reach came after town meeting in the form of one information meeting. There was talk of public hearings as part of the process from the BOS but that didn't happen. In the end, it has to work. So in a year we should see the trend.

    From my perspective this was a done deal from the beginning. It is what DPW wanted and you can't argue with the fact that over 100 communities have done it throughout the commonwealth. That was a huge selling point it seemed to the BOS. I'm surprised the AG won't look at it. But what can you do? Two of the biggest supporters of PAYT got elected to the BOS in May so I would say the town is behind it despite all the anger. I think the anger is about the process. One thing no one cared at all about was the inconvenience to people.

    The issue for me is town services and who pays for them. DPW keeps saying it isn't fair that taxpayers pay for the transfer station who don't use it. Well that depends on how you look at it. If the town wants sanitation issues to be addressed they might look at the transfer station operation as essential and a service that is rightly subsidized by taxpayers. Many communities do. There are no stickers. Sanitation is set up to get the best result, like curb side pick up. We are in a different situation because we have never viewed the transfer station as something essential to town services apart from the social aspect. Stickers have never covered the cost of running it so taxpayers have not really had a choice in operational cost expectations unless they noticed the line item. Sticker fees have not gone up yearly while cost of operation has gone up yearly. So here we are now trying to figure out how to deal with this big burden to the taxpayers. Then you have the estimated drastic increase in tipping fees in 2014.

    When I saw the meeting where PAYT hit the scene, it was during the time of year sticker fees needed to be discussed. It was pretty obvious that it was a good way to avoid talking about raising sticker fees, especially since there were politicians sitting there that wanted future votes. So let's see if works. Do I think we've been kind of had, absolutely, but I don't think it could have been avoided and as I said at the beginning, the saving grace is it has to work and provide some very real financial results!!!

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  118. Carl Johansen would state to 919 that all three canidates supported PAY as you throw. It was so stated by all three during the public forums. They made an excutive desicion on a subject matter that did not require them to get a vote of all the taxpayers. If I am not mistaken the subject matter was brought up during town meeting as well.

    I suppose you may call it a bag job? The proof of the pudding will be how well the bags hold up, as they are not the same ply we normally buy in the stores. Much thinner plastic material. Wii the process do all it is touted to be?

    So you think this is a hot item that should have gone to all of the voters for a vote. Then why did we vote in selectmen who have made the choice for us??? Every town will handle each issue in the manner that the selectman choose, as they are governered by what they can do by town charter and what they cannot do.

    So perhaps you may want to make some changes to the charter the next go around. The selectman did the job we elected them to do and for now we all will need to live with it.

    Just think, that the local pick up companies will also be recycling at the beginning of the new year as well. One may want to see how that came about.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  119. 5:53 Nicely put on your part. I too agree that it was the process that was poor, but not the idea for many. Outreach was long and boring. A simple how to program on cabel would have been great.

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  120. If anyone had any doubts about where the allegiances lies with the new school committee, last night it became very clear. Four members (Shaun, Andrea, Sue and Bob) voted not for the best interest of the district or taxpayers, but of their support of the outgoing superintendent. It was requested the outgoing superintendent be responsible (I know, it’s an ugly word) for the expenses related to the release of personal information, instead they voted to let it be the Sandwich taxpayers. Shaun staunchly defended the Superintendent as a town employee who the town should be fiscally responsible for no matter what her actions were, Andrea wants to get another lawyer involved (ca-ching, ca-ching), Sue – “Some of the personal information was wrong”, so we should make allowances for that, and Bob who said nothing, but cemented the defeat of the motion and probably a campaign promise to be linked with Sue. The most bizarre moment came with the outgoing Superintendent trying to make the case that her personal lawyer was acting on behalf of the town. Really? Shouldn’t we all be concerned about what else may be covered up with this “new” majority?

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  121. What are a couple of regular posters going to do? The other blog is shut down for a while, and they proved they can’t “move on” with their postings on that blog of current (and past) individuals on the School Committee (no matter how wrong these posters where). I believe they both know the meaning of the word hypocritical – if not here is the definition - a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs

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  122. You ignored or refused to post my last two posts for some unknown reason. Your agenda of not supporting the four members of the school committee who showed leadership by continually following the rules is showing. You have had an issue with them when they would not take your advice and send Dr. Johnson to charm school, it has not gone unnoticed. How do you think that would have worked out now given all Dr. Johnson’s lawsuits and harassment claims – all which have been proven unfounded? You allowed all kinds of insults and misinformation to be posted about four school committee members because they didn’t follow your advice, so now when someone tries to support them and point out the inconsistencies of what others have posted you block that; censorship at its finest.

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  123. @Anonymous11:14pm - Sorry about that. Your original comment on July 3rd named names of non-public personalities. I didn't get to your revised post from 4:25pm on the Fourth of July and your follow up bitching post from 11:14pm on the Fourth of July until today.

    Too bad you were at your keyboard and missed the great events yesterday in Sandwich. Another wonderful Fourth of July, curmudgeon-free.

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  124. Thank you for posting my posts. I think the insults were a bit much, but if that is how you choose to respond, that is your right. As for my 4Th of July activities I was very busy; I spent time with my family, had a cookout, saw some great fireworks (the real kind, not the kind on these blogs) with fiends and enjoyed every minute of it. It was inspirational and very patriotic. Thanks for asking.

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  125. A thought to July 4 11:14, It would be interesting to poll the public and find out if we all thought Dr. Johnson was harassed. Just because the evidence presented before a judge did not produce convincing evidence to him, does not mean that she was not harassed. Your post seems to indicate that, in fact, she was not. Many people in this community believe she was. I believe that she was. Justice is not always served via the court system. It's, unfortunately, our best tool in the box to work for justice, but it certainly does not always prove one person is right while the other person is wrong. Dr. Johnson gets to take this awful experience from Sandwich, MA with her for the rest of her life. There are plenty of us that feel she was very much in the right and that some of our townspeople let her down....and then pushed her down. She'll go on. We'll go on. We will not know just how much of a setback this will be overall for awhile...but she was not the bully here.

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  126. Anon of July 5th at 10:17pm you offer a unique proposition to the readers of the blog. You absolutely identified, correctly, the aspect of how Dr Johnson was treated throughout this embarrassing ordeal. There is no doubt in my mind that this educated and dedicated professional, with a Doctorate in Education was handed her walking papers by a very small clique of elected officials. The Anon at July 4 11:14 will continue in adnauseum with her worship of four elected officials who's only concern for two years was getting even. She represents that side of our wonderful little town that doesn't care about what is really right. How can anyone, with any concept of right and wrong, defend teachers without appropriate credentials instructing? Those issues that caused pain for Dr Johnson had less to do with illegal open meeting laws than it did with her fixing the broken wheels within the school system. I would guess that the new incoming Superintendent will not be abused by any elected official. I am sure he will employ the old adage of 'Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer'. I spent the holiday weekend with the beautiful salt air pushing my old catboat...and with all the beauty that nature gives us to enjoy...some will always seek to destroy others. I for one concur with your opinion that the real victim of the past two years....just left town without so much as a proper thank you.

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  127. To 10:17 PM, it wasn’t one judge (which I would guess you were one of the individuals that called for “take it to a judge”); it was two different judges that ruled against Dr. Johnson. It also wasn’t just two judges, I believe there were two independent arbitrators that ruled against Dr. Johnson. Didn’t one of the arbitrators also conclude that Dr. Johnson repeated an offense? I find it interesting that you would hold Dr. Johnson at no fault in all this, and yet blame others for her predicament. It is called taking responsibility. My recollection of events was that Dr. Johnson, along with the current Chair and Co-Chair, went to the press with many of these issues. The cover-up has begun. Just look at the votes regarding the reports of the independent arbitrators and who would accept the findings and who were making excuses not to. This cover-up is being helped along by past School Committee members and some current Selectpersons who would rather pay allegiance to Dr. Johnson than do what is best for the town and the school district. We the taxpayers and our kids are going to pay a heavy price for their allegiance. Pay As You Throw will be just a drop in the bucket for what we will be paying out of our pockets to get over these decisions by some of our current town leadership.

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  128. Poster 7/4 4:25. Your definition was straight on, but you should have included an example. One of a person who writes much on this blog. He is exactly what you define as well as pompous, arrogant, and condescending in his views and statements although in real life, he is a great man.

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  129. Anon of July 7, 2011 at 8:14...so now the childrens version of how to interact with adults begins...name calling? You need to join hands with Anon at July 4, 4:25 and start your own blog to bring back the Magnificant Four! Nothing of substance that is written to this blog is ever understood by you. The great coverup of Sandwich would make one heck of an action movie for you two.....except that I believe you will find this movie or book will end up in the childrens section. Sticks and stones eh? If you two watch the last School Committee meeting and find yourself laughing during the insurrection during the second half of the video...then you ARE part of the problem that we will face in this town. Get rid of your small town attitudes and try to put your support to this new team of elected officials and the new Superintendent. I bet you can't do it. You can't stop the venom from flowing. Peace Train....you really need to listen to the meaning of the words. Movin on.....

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  130. To 11:57 AM, someone has some thin skin considering how you have had no issue with calling others names whether it is on this blog or the other one; so much for “moving on”. Your response does not surprise anyone considering your allegiance to our past Superintendent, facts notwithstanding. They are after all, an inconvenience to your arguments. I have provided facts as they have been present to us, you have only provided rhetoric. I sincerely believe the Dr. Canfield will be a great addition to our school district and our town. My concerns are: the current leadership on the School Committee, the two new members on the School Committee and with a couple of our Selectpersons. Their allegiance (like yours) to Dr. Johnson, in my opinion, is not in the best interest of the district and the town. Do I agree with all the decisions others on the School Committee or others on the Board of Selectmen make? No, but unlike you, I consider each subject separately and on its own merits. I do not have a blind allegiance.

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  131. Anon at July 7 6:24. Reveal the real you by answering one simple question after you watch the last video recording of the School Committee. Do you believe anyone, any employee, any human being who is essentially performing her last official duties, deserved the slap in the face delivered by the Crossman motion to make Dr Johnson pay for legal counsel? Please do not launch into some conspiracy laced diatribe that she was not authorized legal representation. As a human being, how would you feel sitting in that chair listening to three, lesser educated elected officials, assault your integrity one last time? Before you return another tunnel visioned statement about legal decisions.....how would you want to be treated during your final day? For all of the good things Dr Johnson has done, forgiving her sometimes difficult personality, would you expect a unanimous thank you from the entire board? I have never said Dr Johnson was perfect and I have always identified her quirks but if you were the big boss responsible for all of the things that go on within this expensive school system, how would you feel if you were treated in this way? Even the loser in a prize fight gets to shake hands with his opponent Anon. How would you feel if it was your life's work, your reputation, at your place of employment, working as hard as you believe you do? Please don't tell me that she legally did not qualify for legal representation because......tell me how you would have felt wearing Dr Johnsons' moccasins during that incredibly vicious and personal affront by your magnificant 3? I am embarrassed that elected officials can be this vindictive. So Anon, go ahead, chew away at me. Who are you ......really?

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  132. To 9:33 PM – I am a taxpayer, a parent and resident of the town of Sandwich, nothing more, and nothing less. Where you came up with Dr. Johnson not being able to have legal counsel is beyond me. My recollection of the meeting from what I saw televised was a motion was made by a School Committee member to have Dr. Johnson be responsible (that ugly word) for any kind of situation that could arise from the release of teacher’s personal information – not the taxpayers of Sandwich. If you would like to volunteer your financial assistance in this case, I guess that would be your prerogative. The School Committee did not allow the release of this information to happen; the town did not let the release of this information to happen, so yes, I would agree that Dr. Johnson be held accountable. I know you believe in accountability as I have seen you try and make a case against other individuals you do not agree with – but with rhetoric not facts. I fully admit Dr. Johnson did some things that were a plus for the district, but in my opinion I don’t remember a time she took responsibility when something did not go well – it was always someone else’s fault. We must be watching different meetings because I haven’t seen, “incredibly vicious and personal affronts by your magnificent 3”. The reason I identify this statement is because I believe that was a tactic used by our outgoing Superintendent in her allegations against those you so vehemently disagree with – sorry to bring facts to the argument, but I think I saw it reported that a neutral third party lawyer found this was not the case, and actually vindicated four individuals. Sorry if this upsets you.

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  134. Anon July 7 at 10:40pm. Please, just answer the question, how would you feel if that were you during that meeting? Finding it hard to do? And thank you, it was not the legal fee for the lawyer it was any costs associated with the release of those socials. At this point in time, your facts are meaningless. The damage to an educated professional has been done.

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  135. Aristotle ComunicatusJuly 8, 2011 at 7:09 AM

    To me, hypocracy is when one chastises another for childish name calling and then name calls.

    To me, hypocracy is when one says "let's move on" and yet continues the argument and does not "move on".

    You are a hypocrate if you do these things.

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  136. saliticius minimusJuly 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM

    Greg,

    I am not sure how or if the person to whom you directed the your last post will answer, but I would like to answer it if I might.

    I would never have been at that meeting if I were Dr. Johnson.

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  137. Carl Johansen would state Good Morning Greg, have been attending to other matters of late,

    The battle lines will never stop, until we do not respond to each other. It is very difficult to have a conversation when each point ,no matter who may be correct or not continues to turn the words into another meaning altogether.

    From the very beginning of all the above mentioned discussion I have concluded that we will never have any outright winners , but plenty of losers. Among whom, will be the children of our fair town. You and I have made our points based on our personal upbringings and to us we feel an injustis has been perpertrated against Dr. Johnson, I still believe that today. The after affects of the meeting Dr. Johnson and her lawyer had in an attempt to protect her reputation came off in a less then steller manner. I was one of those that picked out many of the flaws in the paper work handed out at that meeting and I reported such to the appropraite persons, for evaluation.

    I will admit that was a fiasco, bar non. More questions then answers came out of my evaluation of these documents.

    However having stated the above, does not change my mind in regards to the original dialog in removing Dr. Johnson from her postion.

    If and when those conflicted members ever publically state there reasons and can prove that she was not doing the job which the taxpayers were paying her do. I would reevaluate, my original conclusion only if it can be shown and proven that her job description was not met for the sake of the Sandwich school districts children.

    It is time we ride off into the sunset, with a hardy HI HO Silver and let time take its course and see if the silver bullet hits its target.

    Carl Johansen

    A concerned citizen of Sandwich

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  138. Mr. Johansen, at last you said something I believe to be worthy, namely that you and Greg ride off into the sunset.

    The injustice is what you did to Mrs. Marshall. Your public humiliation giving her flowers while sticking the dagger in her back. You are so kind, so thoughtful, so trustworth Kimo Sabe.

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  139. To 8:28 AM, I sense some frustration in your post, why I am not sure. Simply put, I would not be in that situation because I would not have done what this person did. You can dismiss this, but I am giving you my honest opinion. What do you mean by, “meaningless facts”? Are those facts that get dismissed because they don’t fit your argument? I believe I read in the Cape Cod Times (and we all know they only print the truth) today that our outgoing Superintendent was found to have additionally harassed an employee, and that could have been grounds for dismissal. Sorry, just another “meaningless fact”. This is the person who was the top paid administrator in our town. How do you reconcile this behavior with that of her trying to imposing some sort of sanctions of someone in her employ or a student who was found to committed a similar infraction? Does she just get away with it because of her position, her education, or because “we pay her so much”, as one new school committee member has stated? As Pink Floyd once sang, “it’s just another brick in the wall.”

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  140. To poster 8:35 AM, does it really come down to who wins or who loses? No one wins in situations like this, we all lose; as a town and as a community. Name calling never solves the problem, it only adds to the divisiveness. To slight those that disagree with you and question their upbringing is a very slippery slope. I may not agree with you, but that in my opinion, this should not mean you question my upbringing just as I would not question yours.

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  141. Carl, I am with you. The song of the ocean calls....and it is much more pleasant than the flavor of the month that appears to keep this mud so thick one can't think. Adios until the fall...perhaps by then the new folks will have been given a chance to move their peace train forward. One thing I know for sure, I will never receive an answer to that last post! Silence is golden.

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  142. Well now we are making progress. Greg is gone until this fall from the blog. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

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  143. I agree whole heartedly that CJ's gesture to Sherry Marshall at her last meeting was uncalled for an over the top. It was disrespectful.

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  144. To 10:10 AM I also agree with you. It was uncalled for and totally disrespectful. Ms. Marshall, while I have not always agreed with her, did not deserve this bit of theatrics. Ms. Marshall had dedicated, I think, over twenty years of her life to this district and she did not deserve the treatment from that person, or these blogs. As things are coming out, we are getting a clearer picture out what was going on and why she possibly made the decisions that she did. Of course you won’t read about that in the Cape Cod Times, or from the speaker at the last school committee public forum who took his shots at Ms. Marshall; I believe their treatment of her was just as shameless as the person who delivered the flowers.

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  145. To July 8, 2011 2:04 PM
    I gave you an answer, but typical of your position and your posts you ignore the stated facts. I would not have done what Dr. Johnson did so I would not be in her position. Period. I also take responsibility for my actions and my decisions. Again, something that I believe is a foreign concept to you if I go by how you post. When you can’t make a point you revert to name calling or insulting someone you don’t agree with. That is a shame. We should all be better than that. I have moved on, I am very glad that Dr. Canfield is here to run the school district. I am very concerned with the decisions of the School Committee Chair, Vice-Chair and two new members. They seem to be more concerned when making their decisions in protecting Dr. Johnson’s reputation at the expense of the school district and taxpayers. Watch how they vote and listen to their explanations of why they vote or voted the way they do or did – remember we are paying for their decisions.

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  146. It is ludicrous to think the town has not been paying since June of 2010 for the decisions of the School Committee. Remember the decision to vote a new contract eliminated a year from a two year contract. Apparently the SC majority of 2010 needed to reconcile the "mistakes" of the former committee and the new so called majority of 2011 will have to do the same thing. Hopefully at some point the SC can get back to actually making good management decisions. With Dr. Canfield's help I certainly hope this will happen. Or else the town will be paying and paying and paying, not to mention the children, who are all our responsibility, will continue to pay! I hope Dr. Canfield will be able to get people to a table and resolve differences instead of having them spin out of control. It will be hard for wounds to heal but we do have to get on with trying to get back to a more normal situation.

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  147. I agree with all those who posted about the disrespect of those who tried to humiliate Ms. Marshall with flowers followed by the dagger, those that continually criticized her (they were teachers who benefited from Dr. J), those on the committee who were too hypocrates in calling for Ms. Linehan to make statements about things she has already stated, to the threat made in open forum that required police at the next meeting.

    Dr. Canfield you picked a vicious bunch that are now the majority again. Watch your back especially from the vice chair.

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  148. Just an observation, interestingly 9:35PM used the word, “ludicrous”. I only know of two people who have used that word lately, our previous superintendent and the current vice-chair of the school committee.

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  149. I do not think the majority SC should be characterized as vicious. This sounds like sour grapes and though I understand it, it is unfair. There has clearly been viciousness in the year long debate but that included people outside the SC. Let's not assume something just because we had a bad year. All this blame is getting us nowhere. I hope everyone involved in School decisions can be more articulate, calm, and less inclined to finger point. I completely disagree that the teachers in defense of Dr. Johnson are just people who "benefited" from her. These are good teachers, caring teachers invested in the schools and the community. They are not villans just because they believed in what Dr. Johnson implemented as a way to move our district and students forward. Lots of people let their emotions get the best of them when they spoke at times, but to attack the character of these teachers is uncalled for.

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  150. To 10:44 poster. At the risk of sounding as though I don't care about your post, frankly, you are wrong about your thinking that the majority of the SC should not be characterized as vicious. I think they are. One of them actually was defending (maybe properlly so) that banning peanut butter in a school is like taking away the freedom that we have as Americans. I consider that to be a vicious attack on a defensless child. When the same person over and over and over again stated "what's the plan" just to make it a sound bite to be remembered (and it was by another of the majority), was that not a vicious ganging up of the minority. When for the sake of the cable camara, a majority member suggests that a minority member is breaking the law by not stating that her husband is an employee of the Schools or could not make certain statements because of that and that same person does the same thing, is that not vicious. When the majority says nothing about someone suggesting that the minority had a member that was less than bright, is that not vicious. When the myth that the union controls the dictates of the some of the SC members and that those members do not care about the children, is that not vicious. When a member of the committee constantly bangs the desks and flails her arms and screaches out negative, is that not vicious. In my opinion, they were and are vicious. As for sour grapes, that I do not have. If the former minority is now the majority, the so be it. I believe in the power of the vote and of government. Sour grapes to me is when a majority loses an election (fair and by the letter of the law) and loses, then turns and blames the lack of those who voted as if they thought that all those who voted would have voted for them. That happened in the 2010 elections. As for the teachers, you certainly have the right to support them. I agree that the ones (that I knew) who spoke to Ms. Marshall are good teachers, they were still vicious in the attacks and histeria, crying and otherwise. They got cushy jobs, interesting and fun jobs directly from Dr. j. I would like them to if I got them. Yes, there is a lot of name calling. It is too bad you did not make that point before this when they called one SC member not as bright or when they called the 2010-2011 majority less than competent. You waited until something was thrown at you. I noticed you said nothing about the dagger and the threat. Perhaps in your opinion I have a point. That is truly the most vicious.

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  151. I just read an article in the local paper and was again dismayed by the comments of the School Committee Chair. First he states that it is the obligation of the Committee to be responsible for its employees, even if they make a mistake. Really? I thought it was reported the Dr. Johnson’s actions taken at that time were found to be of a personal nature not for the benefit of the school district. The Chair also stated that the School Committee should heed the advice from town counsel on this finding. How many times did he listen to the School Committee Counsel, Judges, and Independent Counsels last year? Did he not go against the Independent Counsels that found Dr. Johnson was harassing an employee? Not only was this employee harassed but then found to be retaliated against. Where was he for this person? Does this sound hypocritical or what? Last year he would echo a certain phrase, “What’s the plan?” Well, I guess we know what his plan is. The cover-up is in full force.

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  152. How come there has been no article in the Cape Cod Times that we have a new Superintendent? Maybe that little birdie that used to whisper into the ear of our local reporter has gone underground – just like her supporters.

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  153. A new School Committee member is disseminating information about a change in the busing schedule on her Facebook page that the public won’t receive from the Superintendent until next week (her words). Is she the new Public Relations person for the school district? One would think if there is to be a change in policy it should come from the Superintendent not, a Facebook account. I wonder how the Superintendent feels about this breach.

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  154. Remember Mr. Johansen's investigation and political uncovering of the facts that told us about how the then majority of the SC was going to be subject to a recall. You know, unless I missed something, it did not happen.

    I will say that I thought about starting a rumor that the current chair, vice chair and two newby's who don't understand the meaning of proper debate are going to subject to recall. They should.

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  155. Don't know where to write this so I put it here.

    I am tired of all the garbage that the Sandwich Politician thow out. The Selectmen are trying to prioritze the capital needs of the Town.

    Maybe they should listen to the people, not the ones at Cafe Chew, but the ones who every day shlep to work to make a living in an attempt to stay above water. They should go to the PTA meetings at all the schools. Maybe have a full meeting at the same time. Listen to them. Maybe they should go to a chamber meeting and do the same, or even at a school athletic event.

    I am tired of Selectmen talking a doing very little. If I were a selctman, I could prioritize in two weeks at most.

    We here about numbers, see charts, but they all miss one VERY BIG thing. They miss that they are have miserably failed to bring significant revenue to Sandwich.

    An example of how the Selectmen think:

    "honey, don't you think its time to trade in the 1988 Quadrazonal engine Suburu?"

    "yes dear, you are right. It has 243,569 miles on it and needs new brakes, paint, back seat, and hood."

    "Your a smart guy honey, I have been looking at a great Mercedes, you know with all the bells and whistles, and it only costs $112,706 MSRP. Let's buy it."

    "Oh honey, I meant to buy a Chevy Malibu. Nicely equipped, it would cost just shy of $20,000"

    "You are right my man, why buy a taj mahal fire/police house for 44 million when you can do a quite nice one for less than half. Oh, I meant to say why buy a Mercedes when you can buy a Malibu."

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